The guys invite a good friend to the podcast, Ric Norman. Ric is the leader of a sales group, in which he oversees the group from training to selling. He has taken some rough paths in his walk, but all of it has taught him the importance of gratitude.

The group has a discussion on "bouncing back" from setbacks and each person answers the question "How do you overcome setbacks?" The guys define Resilent, Durability, and Fortitude. Then they see which term best describes themselves. Ric poses the question, "What is the difference between Motivation and Discipline?"

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