Are you a giver or human? Sarah Fox talks to Ella Jarman-Pinto, Film, TV and Concert composer about breaking the cage and trying to stay human. They talk about how, according to the stats, Ella is unlikely to become a 'successful' composer. They also discuss how vital and so hard it is to be self compassionate, how it feels to be nurtured and not have to 'give back' in exchange, and why it's good to swear.

Please note we do mention baby loss and having suicidal thoughts.

Mentioned in the episode:

28:13 Poet, Jo Brandon http://www.jobrandon.com/

37:37 The Human Giver coined by Kate Mann - Down Girl: The Logic of Misogyny and Ella mentions Brene Brown's Unlocking Us podcast episode with Emily and Amelia Nagoski

55:19 brilliant business coach Gemma Gilbert

58:41 #WriteUsIntoHistory

You can find out more about Ella at https://www.ellajarmanpinto.com/

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Edited by Ryan Nile for Pure Creation Media https://www.instagram.com/purecreationmedia/