Working smart not hard, is the order of the day this week, as best selling author, keynote speaker and professional blogger Jeff Goins as they talk about his latest book 'Real Artists Don't Starve.'

Jeff also chats with Joel about the 'FUN' in his life, his love for guacamole, making time for his family life without losing work productivity and the differences between hustling and working smart.

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