Originally aired October 4th, 2019. In this episode the podcast has finally been named, so they sit with their friend Ivyl to take a look at failure and how it might not always be as bad as we think it is. We share stories of when our personal failures may have made some of the best things in our lives. Failing upwards seems to be an option.

Original description: "They've finally decided the name of the podcast. Black Sheep and Bad Apples spends some time with their good friend and special guest Ivyl,  as they discuss how failure has affected them and whether failing is always a bad thing."