Just cause Mike's on vacation doesn't mean he's not working his ass off for this podcast! While in Hawaii, Mike gets to interview Doug Jones, who talks about his time on the Discovery set over the course of Season 3. Does Doug drop any hints about Season 4? You'll have to listen to find out!

We then get into our regularly scheduled programming, where we discuss the DS9 Season 5 episode "In the Cards," where we focus on the escapades of Jake and Nog as they go on a fetch quest to cheer up Captain Sisko. We also chat about which starship we would want to be the captain of, if we had the opportunity.

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