In this conversation, Ben speaks to Jonathan Cutrell. Jonathan is the former Director of Technology at PBS and now works at Guild Education as an Engineering manager. Jonathan also hosts his own podcast, Developer Tea, which has over 13 million downloads.

Their conversation discusses why focusing on shorter timeframes and the day-to-day has a bigger impact on our lives than the long term. They cover the use of ‘why’ in defining how we compare ourselves to others, how we grow and how we find meaning in work.