Kathy chats with Nate Salpeter, co-founder of Sweet Farm, a sanctuary in Half Moon Bay California.

The pair discuss:

-- The "systems perspective" that informs "Sanctuary 2.0," a radically different model to drive change for a more sustainable planet

-- Paco the llama and other residents of Sweet Farm

-- Sweet Farm's insanely popular Goat-2-Meeting program

-- Sweet Farm's veganic agriculture program

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