Sources:

As the Story Grows interview with Russell Holbrook:

https://asthestorygrows.com/episodes/27240708

Pastor with no Answers Podcast with Russell Holbrook:

https://play.acast.com/s/pastorwithnoanswers/tag%3Asoundcloud%2C2010%3Atracks%2F642092649

Visions of Gray zine interview with Joe Christmas, March 1995 -part 1:

https://groups.google.com/g/rec.music.christian/c/yJKiGP92WOs/m/Aan5L-udTDMJ?fbclid=IwAR2PEcAS6fec0px5qamRJDr4LoZlBnfGBARs5Tch3NK4_3LJ0MkO9DvApfg

Part 2:

https://groups.google.com/g/rec.music.christian/c/mNuO_MOLytk/m/QHh4XQcqwXgJ?fbclid=IwAR37BXiNnvmb50xRDOoRvpQyAF11fQoMYU3lPP4rfTvLMYiQCvn0mcf28eQ