In this episode of Anecdotally Speaking, we welcome another guest! Luke Brown has been a friend of Mark's for many years. He joins us to share a story from his time working as a project manager for the Australian Defence Force.

Luke has successfully run multiple multi-million dollar aircraft acquisition projects. There were, however, three projects at the beginning of his career which didn't go according to plan. They led him to realise that there was more to project management than what he had learned through his studies, and caused him to change his mantra from 'plan the work, work the plan' to 'plan the work and work with the people.'