I sat down with ecologist, David George Haskell, author of award winning books "The Forest Unseen" and "The Songs of Trees".

In his books, he sets aside his scientific research for a moment to simply be in the forest and observe. The conclusion that he, and ecology as a whole, are coming to is that the fundamental unit of biology is not the organism, but the complex network of life. The community.

We dive deep into this fundamental way of things. We talk about the ecological crises we face from climate change, deforestation, and mass extinction, as well as how humans might reimagine our place on the planet. We talk about the need for experiential education actually out in the forest, political activism, economic restructuring, and much more.

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