The guys seek wisdom for all the brand noobies out there, including themselves. Seamless segues from drums to guitar to ornithology.

0m 8s Imagining the world before you knew what you know now.

2m 34s Breaking out of the anticipation phase.

8m 35s Uptight Beethoven quotes.

15m 46s Aging into playing in “collectives” instead of “bands.”

16m 50s The first stuff is not going to be good, so don’t quit because of that.

24m 10s Thinking about birds.

25m 44s Curiosity and missed callings.