Matt and Justin on IHOPKC, the Cost of 24/7 Prayer, and Finding Purpose in Pain

Matt Gilman and Justin Rizzo reflect on their years at IHOPKC and the beauty and cost of 24/7 prayer. 

They talk about the emotional and spiritual toll of prolonged ministry, unpacking how bitterness can quietly grow in silence and how isolation during pain often leads to destructive conclusions.

Also part of the discussion is the power of community, counseling, and “detangling” your story with trusted guides who help separate truth from lies. 

Pain has purpose. 

Whether you're walking through suffering yourself or helping someone who is, this conversation offers hope, honesty, and practical guidance for moving from victim to overcomer, without denying the reality of your wounds.

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Justin Rizzo is a worship leader, songwriter, and filmmaker. He is passionate about authentic worship and creativity, focused on bringing glory to Jesus. Justin also dedicates himself to raising up and coaching worship leaders and creatives of all types, nurturing their growth and success. In addition, he owns Firelight Creative, a production company that has produced multiple award-winning musicals and films, and hosts gatherings for creatives both online and in person. Justin travels extensively to lead worship and speak at events worldwide.

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