We are picking up from where we left off on the last cast in our discussion of two books, The Power of When by Michael Breus, PhD, and When: The Scientific Secrets of Perfect Timing by Dan Pink. On this cast, we discuss the power of having an ideal daily schedule and we reflect on our own daily schedules and how we use our understanding of our chronotypes for optimal productivity.

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In this Cast | Chronotypes and Ideal Daily Schedules

Ray Sidney-Smith

Augusto Pinaud

Art Gelwicks

Show Notes | Chronotypes and Ideal Daily Schedules

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The Power of When by Michael Breus, PhD

When: The Scientific Secrets of Perfect Timing by Dan Pink

4:00 A.M. A Productivity Argument. by Augusto Pinaud

“Dolphin

“Dolphins may or may not have a regular sleep routine. As light sleepers, they frequently wake throughout the night and often do not sleep enough. Dolphins struggle to fall asleep, ruminating over the day’s failures.

“Dolphins’ extreme intelligence and tendency toward perfectionism probably explain why they spend so much time chewing over the day. They do their best work from mid-morning through early afternoon."

~ Being a Morning Person Isn’t the Key to Productivity. This Is

Being Productive (Art Gelwick’s podcast)

Episode 30: Active Data Tracking

Episode 31: Passive Data Tracking

Heat map (Productive Flourishing)

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Voiceover Artist 0:00 Are you ready to manage your work and personal world better to live a fulfilling productive life, then you've come to the right place productivity cast, the weekly show about all things productivity. Here, your host Ray Sidney-Smith and Augusto Pinaud with Francis Wade and Art Gelwicks.

Raymond Sidney-Smith 0:17

And Welcome back, everybody to productivity cast, the weekly show about all things personal productivity, I'm Ray Sidney Smith.

Augusto Pinaud 0:24 And I am Augusto Pinaud.

Art Gelwicks 0:27 And I'm Art Gelwicks.

Raymond Sidney-Smith 0:26 Thank you so much for being here with me. Gentlemen, we are going to be continuing our discussion from last episode, where we were talking about two distinct books, when the scientific secrets of perfect timing by Dan pink, and the power of win by Dr. Michael Bruce. So if you have not listened to that episode, go ahead and jump back in episode and listen to that episode on Chrono types and optimal productivity, which is the name of the episode and then hop on back over here and continue on, where Today we are going to be talking about our reflections on our own ideal daily schedules, and really fleshing out for for for you how we approach some of these pieces that might be in Confluence, or may be in conflict with the archetypes. And I think that'll be a fun, interesting discussion for us all this morning. Are before we got started recording, you had an interesting kind of starter question, I think that you would positive to to a gusto. You want to start with that. And we'll kind of go from there.

Art Gelwicks 1:37

Sure. The question in basically was, if you studied your Chrono type, and you understand which one you are, if you find you're not following that prototype, is it because you're making a conscious effort to not follow it? Or is it because the rest of your life is pushing you to a different one. So if for example, I by definition, right now, I am a lion, and that works pretty well, with my regular daily life schedule. But there are days that my krona type would be much better suited if I was a wolf, for example. I don't make a conscious effort to try and change it because like I said, it seems to work pretty well for me right now. But I'm just curious if that's something if you find you're not matching your krona type? Are you doing it by choice? Are you doing it by force?

Augusto Pinaud 2:30

You know, mine is exactly the opposite. When I went into the book, the chronic type that identifies the wealth that by the way, it's to the teeth, okay. I love because I love the silence. Okay, I love the non interruption. I loved all that part of working. So the wolf works for me, so well. And I did it for many, many, many years. What happened is, I leave sadly, on a different schedule than the wolf. When I was young, I could go in two or three hours of sleep, you know, work all night, and then go back and have normal life. Okay, that's stop working at some point. And I begin our lives and I was one to the other scene I discover. And I wrote about it on on the for a book is, in order for me to be the wolf, because I have a normal life. In the day. I need to decompress. So what happened is, I go and then finally, when I get that quiet for the wolf, okay, I need maybe half an hour, maybe two hours to decompress. Okay, and then I'm on full push. The problem was daddy's, then I go to bed at three, four in the morning, and I need to wake up at six. It really doesn't work well. So years ago, I begin trying the opposite. say, Well, why do you think instead of decompressing I just go to bed and wake up at four in the morning. Because what I discovered was a wolf is I really get after decompression all that couple of hours of good work. But mostly because well I'm obviously in six in the morning by four in the morning, I'm dead. So if I flip it on, it started waking up at four in the morning, I could get first super fresh, because I'm going to be completely rested. And those two first hours between four and six are incredibly, incredibly productive for me, that allows me to really be effective on on what I'm doing, and allows me to really get a lot more done during my day. But I admitted that I that is basically a conscious decision to push towards a lie on a schedule more than what the chrono type is. You know, I been waking up at four in the morning for a really long time I'm it is still a struggle, it is a conscious decision I need to make every day.

Raymond Sidney-Smith 5:05 That's so unique and different than my own because as I said in the last episode, I was surprised to find out and relieved to find out that I was a dolphin in the in the Michael Bruce sleep Connor type categories. And so here I am living my life like a lion. When in reality, I was down a dolphin I mean, every way that I could look at the dolphin, Chrono type sleep Connor type, I recognize myself in it a little different than a horoscope where you can find yourself in a horoscope. In my particular case, I did the I did the temperature test, you know I did. I've looked at it from every angle. And it's true I probably Emma Emma dolphin. And it just defies. Or at least it explains why I've had such a difficult time with Sleep my entire life. Remarkably, as I said in the last episode, it's been a relief to not have to feel like oh, there's, I'm doing something wrong with regard to sleep. It's just that sleep is different for me. So that was very, that was very cathartic. That was very, you know, and therapeutic. So that was a good part in terms of your question art in terms of how I'm operating in what I believe, as close to what I can do as a dolphin. So for as a recap for folks, dolphins, I'm actually reading here off of the bulletproof blog here because it has a good description of it for everybody. But it says dolphins may or may not may or may not have a regular sleep routine, their light sleepers and wake up frequently throughout the night. And often don't sleep enough, dolphins struggle to fall asleep. And they ruminate over the days failures. It says dolphins extreme intelligence tendency toward perfectionism probably explain why they spend so much time chewing over the day, they do their best work from mid morning through early afternoon. And that is other than struggling to fall asleep, which is not an every night affair for me. But it does on occasion, the everything else about the description and the book is to the tee. And that's a that's just a unique component of my life that I really, you know, I'd given quite a bit of thought to but until the power of when I hadn't seen a lot of material that wasn't in the category of some kind of sleep disorder, as opposed to this is just the way you are. And so for anybody who does take the test and is also a dolphin, you probably sense the same kind of relief I did, which is that there's not something wrong with you, that there is just really a different way of experiencing sleep, that not everybody, not everybody feels it's just a very different experience. I'm just trying to do as many things that Dr. Bruce talks about in the book to align myself with the social aspects of the other people in my life. You know, so a lot of people don't, in the power of when Dr. Bruce really goes into the perspective that we're either trying to be in synchrony with our bio time and, or with the social world. In my case, I'm trying to align contrary to the dolphin to be with the more social aspects of my life, you know, that is home life, work life, those kinds of things.