In this episode Indie talks to Richard. Richard runs fetish bar Church & gay Sauna NZ in Amsterdam, is also known as mother of House of Hopelezz, Jennifer Hopelezz, and is an outspoken activist for sex positivity and sexworkers rights. 

Indie talks with Richard about the unwritten rules of the darkroom, the latest fetish craze of the meatmarket and how to keep Sauna NZ a safe space for gay men while still being inclusive. 

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