Liz surfs the currents of fucked-up audio (sorry) as we briefly knock off the obligatory first Pitchfork 10.0, the EP "Gay?" by the Minneapolis band 12 Rods. who were they? good question!

then we spend the rest of the episode talking about David Cross, Kate Bush, Spotify, why something like 00's indie couldn't sustain itself today, if there is a chance for genuine real "protest" music in the wake of crumbling institutions, and other related things!

end music is "Precious Park" from the game Armored Core: For Answer by Kota Hoshino