On this new episode of The Ocean Embassy, I talk with Kathleen Swalling, an advocate and lawyer for the oceans for many years. She has extensive experience in designing legislation that effectively protects the ocean such as the laws that put the Great Barrier Reef under protection. We discuss how lawyers co-design Marine Protected Areas with all stakeholders involved, who those stakeholders are, and what makes laws ineffective. The aspect of legislation is very critical when we think about large scale impact of protective efforts, so I hope you enjoy this conversation! 

Cover art: Simon + Anna Madlener. Based on the Spilhaus world projection.

Music and Sound Effects: Lukas Bindel

Mixing: Anna Madlener

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