Claire Calderón is a writer living in Oakland: “One of the things I’m working on, just as a person, is trying to think about investing more in things I will never see the benefits of, I’ll never see the full trajectory. And especially as Americans, we are not encouraged to think that way.” In this episode, we talk about the phoenix, playing the environmental long game, and shampoo bars.

Sounds in this episode include recordings by Freesound users pogotron (CC Sampling Plus 1.0); n_audioman, CameronPheiffer, Benboncan, BockelSound, and matucha (CC BY 3.0); and bruno.auzet (CC0 1.0). Image by Hartmann Schedel (1440-1514), illustration from the Nuremberg Chronicle, via Wikimedia Commons. Public domain.