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I'm honored to bring you this conversation I recorded with Joe Clayton. Joe is a survivor of Rideau Regional Center; an institution closed in Smith Falls, Ontario.
"We as the people, disabilities, we cry just like everybody else. We laugh like everybody else. We are human beings, just like everybody else. And like I said before, we just want the world to know we are not monsters who got out of institutions. We are human beings, and we need to be respected and to be loved. And we don't need to be treated like babies. We need to be treated like a human being and we... Yeah, that's it." - Joe Clayton
While being institutionalized as a child, Joe experienced several traumas and injustices and traumatic experiences which he shares with us in this podcast episode. Joe also shares his life after being institutionalized, and through his faith, he found forgiveness and the courage to live life. Joe is an indigenous man and a creative who expresses his creativity through photography and art. Joe now lives with his partner, Christina. Before you listen to this conversation with Joe, I want to warn you that Joe describes many of the horrific acts performed and forced on him. The description of these acts might be triggering for some listeners. Note: There is a full transcription of this podcast at the bottom of this post.
This conversation with Joe was recorded on April 16, 2020, and the time of this publication is September 1, 2020. A lot has changed in our world since I recorded this conversation with Joe Clayton. COVID-19 and its global impacts have been a significant stressor on our families, including mine. As well, there's been an awakening to the social justice issues in our world for black people, indigenous people, and people of color. So at the beginning of this episode, I share my stance and Empowering Ability's stance on antiracism, and what I'm doing to be an active antiracist. CLICK HERE for to read Empowering Ability's Antiracism commitment on our homepage.
Check out Joe Claytons Art and Photography on Facebook
Contact Joe Clayton: [email protected]
Below are some examples of Joe Clayton's Artwork and Photography
Podcast transcription below was completed by Otter.ai. Please note that this transcription was completed word by word in the conversation and hasn't been corrected for written grammar.
Eric Goll 00:22
Hi, I'm Eric Goll and today I'm honored to bring you a conversation I recorded with Joe Clayton and Joe is a survivor of Rideau Regional Center, an institution that closed located in Smith Falls, Ontario. And this conversation with Joe was recorded on April 16 2020. Today being September 1 2020, at the time of this publication, and a lot has changed in our world since I publish or since I recorded rather this conversation with Joe Clayton. COVID-19 and its global impacts have been a major stressor stressor on our families, including mine. as well. There's been an awakening to the social justice issues in our world for black people, indigenous people and people of color. So before I share this conversation with Joe Clayton with you, I'm going to share my stance and Empowering Ability's stance on antiracism, and what I'm doing to be antiracis. We are committed to the work of anti racism. We are learning about anti-black racism, anti-indigenous racism, and how white privilege and superiority impact the people and communities we serve and that I serve. I am aware of the intersection of disability, LGBT LGBTQ plus and how that increases the societal devaluation of bipoc. We must continue to have uncomfortable conversations to dismantle systematic racial barriers that have blocked social and economic progress for black and indigenous peoples for generations as well as people with disabilities. We know that the first step towards change is to speak up. And we want to be very clear, Black Lives Matter to Empowering Ability, and we commit to no longer being silent or neutral as we move towards tangible action and change. So for me as the founder of Empowering Ability, I've completed a six week antiracism training course and I commit to ongoing learning on anti racism. As a sis gender white man, I'm doing the work to recognize my biases, you know, such as, I just want to share a few of these realizations that I've had with you around You know, my privilege and as a white cisgendered man. I'm not worried or I don't have the fear of being shot or killed when being pulled over in my car, by the police, or even, you know, being harassed for that matter. I can see my race and gender widely represented in roles and in spaces that I aspire to be in or I aspire to. I'm confident that I can reach out to organizations and to leaders and have them open my emails, or even share my content. I can be confident that families will be open to working with me because I feel familiar or I feel safe to them. I can speak to you without my race being put on trial. I can step away from the conversations of race if I wish to. So these are some examples that I've realized of my white privilege. And now, you know, I'm very aware of these things. Whereas six months ago, I wasn't. So, you know, part of this learning was through completed through a six week anti racism course, and I'm continuing my learning and my journey to be an anti racist. And I'm listening, and I'm listening to diverse voices. And I encourage all of us to be doing this work of anti racism. So thank you for listening to me on this important issue. And today I'm bringing you this conversation with Joe Clayton. Joe is a survivor of the region rideau regional center an institution in Smith Falls, Ontario. That has closed and Joe experienced several traumas and injustices at a very young age, while being institutionalized, and Joe shares with us his experiences, and he also shares, you know his life after being institutionalized, and through his faith, faith, how he found forgiveness, and the courage to live life. Joe is an indigenous man, he is a creative. And he expresses that through photography and art, and he lives with his partner, Christina. So, before we roll this conversation with Joe, I just want to warn you that Joe describes many of the horrific acts performed and forced on him. And the description of these acts might be triggering for some listeners. So here is my conversation with Joe Clayton. Joe, welcome to the Empowering Ability podcast. So happy to have you on today.
Joe Clayton 06:04 Oh, thank you.
Eric Goll 06:05
Yeah, right on. Well, it's a pleasure to have you and Joe Clayton as a self advocate and a survivor of an institution, the Rideau regional center. I am honored to have you come on the podcast today and share your story and to share your experience with us. So I'm going to hand it over to you here, Joe. And, and we would be honored to hear your story.
Joe Clayton 06:39
Eric Goll 18:25
Joe, thank you so much for sharing your story. And it was really a difficult story for me to listen to, and I'm sure for the others that are going to listen to this podcast. I'm sure their stomach turned more than once, just like mine. And, you know, I could feel the emotion for the tragedy that happened to you and the terrible experience that you live through as a child from 12 to 18. And no child should ever have to go through what you went through Joe, sexual abuse and physical abuse and emotional mental abuse. It's It's terrible. One thing that comes through to me Joe was just your resiliency and how you were able to have that experience that terrible experience that traumatic experiences at young age and still become the man that you you are today and enjoying life. And there's, you know, it's so much for us to learn from from your stories, and thank you for sharing. And I think, you know, if anybody listened to your story, and you hadn't mentioned that you were in an institution, for people with developmental disabilities, they would have assumed that you were in jail, and it's just completely completely wrong. Thank heavens at that institution Rideau regional center is is closed, it probably took way too long to to close it. But thanks, heavens, it's closed. And many other people I imagine had terrible traumatic experiences and abusive experiences, such of yourself as yourself, and thank you for helping to be the voice of those people that are no longer with us or don't have a voice. So, there's there's a couple questions that I have for you, Joe, if that's okay.
Joe Clayton 20:34 Yep.
Eric Goll 20:38
So, you mentioned that you were you ran away a couple of times. And, it sounds like the third, eventually you were you were set free. Can you tell us about those experiences of trying to escape and get out.
Joe Clayton 20:59
Eric Goll 22:30
other people viewed you, they stuck you in this terrible institution or jail.
Joe Clayton 22:45
Eric Goll 24:16
stay in that institution or, you know, jailed in that institution?
Joe Clayton 24:28
Eric Goll 25:31
Joe Clayton 25:36
think I sent them to you when I was in the institution, those smile in my face, they get you to smile. They ask you to smile, to show people that you're happy. So yeah, so there was a lot of things going on there. But the thing is that happened a long time ago. And today is reality and today's a new life. And today, I want people to hear my story and to realize that we're not monsters that came out of the institution. We were human beings, and we we just want to be love and be respectful. And we are we are here now. And we just want to be happy. That's right.
Eric Goll 26:36
And you're a living example of that. So there was a lot of trauma you experienced, that you shared with us. And you said you've gone through a process of forgiveness and learning to love and learning to love yourself. I would think that forgiveness would be a really hard thing for those people that abused you and sexually abused you. What was what was helpful for you to work through that forgiveness?
Joe Clayton 28:58
Eric Goll 31:18
Yeah. Thanks for sharing that. Joe. What are your thoughts on what should happen with the institutions that are still operational Today. Many have been closed, but there are still institutions or institution like settings that people with developmental disabilities are being put in where it's not their choice. And I think even when I think about it, you know, group homes for example, where there might be four or six or eight people with a developmental disability being told that they all need to live in the same house and not really having a choice in that is still an institutional model. What are your thoughts on that? What do you think should happen with that in those institutions that do exist are institutionalized models such as group homes.
Joe Clayton 32:20
Eric Goll 33:06
Joe Clayton 33:17
Eric Goll 34:04
Yeah, I couldn't agree with you more Joe and, you know, everybody's rights, people with developmental disabilities included, need to be recognized and honored and people disability to be treated just like everybody else. So I completely agree with what you're what you're saying and I and that goes for having choice in their life and being able to choose where they're going to live, what they're going to do, and, and you're a great example, Joe and from you sharing your story in terms of what's possible when somebody is given the right support and somebody's given, you know, tools and resources and you know, you've been able to create a wonderful life with yourself, even though you've gone through those very traumatic experiences. So moving forward just into today, Joe, can you share us with us a little bit more? You mentioned your art gallery if you could share a little bit more about your art gallery, your art and maybe where people could find you either online or getting get in touch with you to learn more.
Joe Clayton 35:22
Eric Goll 36:26
all include it in the in the show notes in the blog for you. Joe's Email: [email protected] So I want to respect your your time here. And yes, I'm super grateful that you came on and shared your story with us and I, you know, I've learned a lot from you and I really admire your resiliency and your strength and your courage to share your very important story with us. So thank you so much for for sharing with me and and the rest of theworld.
Joe Clayton 37:00
Eric Goll 37:25
Thanks, Joe. So a big thank you today to Joe Clayton for sharing his story and experiences with us. The acts forced upon Joe are horrible and no human should ever have to endure those experiences again. By Joe sharing his story hopefully it pushes us to continue to be better, to do better, to value all people. To value people with disabilities. To value indigenous people. To value black people. To value people of color. To value LGBTQ plus people. The social and injustices we're seeing today might look a little bit different than what we heard from Joe, but they still exist. They exist in our systems. They're programmed into our societies and they're programmed into us. We have to do better. I'm Eric Goll. Thank you for listening.
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I'm honored to bring you this conversation I recorded with Joe Clayton. Joe is a survivor of Rideau Regional Center; an institution closed in Smith Falls, Ontario.
"We as the people, disabilities, we cry just like everybody else. We laugh like everybody else. We are human beings, just like everybody else. And like I said before, we just want the world to know we are not monsters who got out of institutions. We are human beings, and we need to be respected and to be loved. And we don't need to be treated like babies. We need to be treated like a human being and we... Yeah, that's it." - Joe Clayton
While being institutionalized as a child, Joe experienced several traumas and injustices and traumatic experiences which he shares with us in this podcast episode. Joe also shares his life after being institutionalized, and through his faith, he found forgiveness and the courage to live life. Joe is an indigenous man and a creative who expresses his creativity through photography and art. Joe now lives with his partner, Christina. Before you listen to this conversation with Joe, I want to warn you that Joe describes many of the horrific acts performed and forced on him. The description of these acts might be triggering for some listeners. Note: There is a full transcription of this podcast at the bottom of this post.
This conversation with Joe was recorded on April 16, 2020, and the time of this publication is September 1, 2020. A lot has changed in our world since I recorded this conversation with Joe Clayton. COVID-19 and its global impacts have been a significant stressor on our families, including mine. As well, there's been an awakening to the social justice issues in our world for black people, indigenous people, and people of color. So at the beginning of this episode, I share my stance and Empowering Ability's stance on antiracism, and what I'm doing to be an active antiracist. CLICK HERE for to read Empowering Ability's Antiracism commitment on our homepage.
Check out Joe Claytons Art and Photography on Facebook
Contact Joe Clayton: [email protected]
Below are some examples of Joe Clayton's Artwork and Photography
Podcast transcription below was completed by Otter.ai. Please note that this transcription was completed word by word in the conversation and hasn't been corrected for written grammar.
Eric Goll 00:22
Hi, I'm Eric Goll and today I'm honored to bring you a conversation I recorded with Joe Clayton and Joe is a survivor of Rideau Regional Center, an institution that closed located in Smith Falls, Ontario. And this conversation with Joe was recorded on April 16 2020. Today being September 1 2020, at the time of this publication, and a lot has changed in our world since I publish or since I recorded rather this conversation with Joe Clayton. COVID-19 and its global impacts have been a major stressor stressor on our families, including mine. as well. There's been an awakening to the social justice issues in our world for black people, indigenous people and people of color. So before I share this conversation with Joe Clayton with you, I'm going to share my stance and Empowering Ability's stance on antiracism, and what I'm doing to be antiracis. We are committed to the work of anti racism. We are learning about anti-black racism, anti-indigenous racism, and how white privilege and superiority impact the people and communities we serve and that I serve. I am aware of the intersection of disability, LGBT LGBTQ plus and how that increases the societal devaluation of bipoc. We must continue to have uncomfortable conversations to dismantle systematic racial barriers that have blocked social and economic progress for black and indigenous peoples for generations as well as people with disabilities. We know that the first step towards change is to speak up. And we want to be very clear, Black Lives Matter to Empowering Ability, and we commit to no longer being silent or neutral as we move towards tangible action and change. So for me as the founder of Empowering Ability, I've completed a six week antiracism training course and I commit to ongoing learning on anti racism. As a sis gender white man, I'm doing the work to recognize my biases, you know, such as, I just want to share a few of these realizations that I've had with you around You know, my privilege and as a white cisgendered man. I'm not worried or I don't have the fear of being shot or killed when being pulled over in my car, by the police, or even, you know, being harassed for that matter. I can see my race and gender widely represented in roles and in spaces that I aspire to be in or I aspire to. I'm confident that I can reach out to organizations and to leaders and have them open my emails, or even share my content. I can be confident that families will be open to working with me because I feel familiar or I feel safe to them. I can speak to you without my race being put on trial. I can step away from the conversations of race if I wish to. So these are some examples that I've realized of my white privilege. And now, you know, I'm very aware of these things. Whereas six months ago, I wasn't. So, you know, part of this learning was through completed through a six week anti racism course, and I'm continuing my learning and my journey to be an anti racist. And I'm listening, and I'm listening to diverse voices. And I encourage all of us to be doing this work of anti racism. So thank you for listening to me on this important issue. And today I'm bringing you this conversation with Joe Clayton. Joe is a survivor of the region rideau regional center an institution in Smith Falls, Ontario. That has closed and Joe experienced several traumas and injustices at a very young age, while being institutionalized, and Joe shares with us his experiences, and he also shares, you know his life after being institutionalized, and through his faith, faith, how he found forgiveness, and the courage to live life. Joe is an indigenous man, he is a creative. And he expresses that through photography and art, and he lives with his partner, Christina. So, before we roll this conversation with Joe, I just want to warn you that Joe describes many of the horrific acts performed and forced on him. And the description of these acts might be triggering for some listeners. So here is my conversation with Joe Clayton. Joe, welcome to the Empowering Ability podcast. So happy to have you on today.
Joe Clayton 06:04 Oh, thank you.
Eric Goll 06:05
Yeah, right on. Well, it's a pleasure to have you and Joe Clayton as a self advocate and a survivor of an institution, the Rideau regional center. I am honored to have you come on the podcast today and share your story and to share your experience with us. So I'm going to hand it over to you here, Joe. And, and we would be honored to hear your story.
Joe Clayton 06:39
Eric Goll 18:25
Joe, thank you so much for sharing your story. And it was really a difficult story for me to listen to, and I'm sure for the others that are going to listen to this podcast. I'm sure their stomach turned more than once, just like mine. And, you know, I could feel the emotion for the tragedy that happened to you and the terrible experience that you live through as a child from 12 to 18. And no child should ever have to go through what you went through Joe, sexual abuse and physical abuse and emotional mental abuse. It's It's terrible. One thing that comes through to me Joe was just your resiliency and how you were able to have that experience that terrible experience that traumatic experiences at young age and still become the man that you you are today and enjoying life. And there's, you know, it's so much for us to learn from from your stories, and thank you for sharing. And I think, you know, if anybody listened to your story, and you hadn't mentioned that you were in an institution, for people with developmental disabilities, they would have assumed that you were in jail, and it's just completely completely wrong. Thank heavens at that institution Rideau regional center is is closed, it probably took way too long to to close it. But thanks, heavens, it's closed. And many other people I imagine had terrible traumatic experiences and abusive experiences, such of yourself as yourself, and thank you for helping to be the voice of those people that are no longer with us or don't have a voice. So, there's there's a couple questions that I have for you, Joe, if that's okay.
Joe Clayton 20:34 Yep.
Eric Goll 20:38
So, you mentioned that you were you ran away a couple of times. And, it sounds like the third, eventually you were you were set free. Can you tell us about those experiences of trying to escape and get out.
Joe Clayton 20:59
Eric Goll 22:30
other people viewed you, they stuck you in this terrible institution or jail.
Joe Clayton 22:45
Eric Goll 24:16
stay in that institution or, you know, jailed in that institution?
Joe Clayton 24:28
Eric Goll 25:31
Joe Clayton 25:36
think I sent them to you when I was in the institution, those smile in my face, they get you to smile. They ask you to smile, to show people that you're happy. So yeah, so there was a lot of things going on there. But the thing is that happened a long time ago. And today is reality and today's a new life. And today, I want people to hear my story and to realize that we're not monsters that came out of the institution. We were human beings, and we we just want to be love and be respectful. And we are we are here now. And we just want to be happy. That's right.
Eric Goll 26:36
And you're a living example of that. So there was a lot of trauma you experienced, that you shared with us. And you said you've gone through a process of forgiveness and learning to love and learning to love yourself. I would think that forgiveness would be a really hard thing for those people that abused you and sexually abused you. What was what was helpful for you to work through that forgiveness?
Joe Clayton 28:58
Eric Goll 31:18
Yeah. Thanks for sharing that. Joe. What are your thoughts on what should happen with the institutions that are still operational Today. Many have been closed, but there are still institutions or institution like settings that people with developmental disabilities are being put in where it's not their choice. And I think even when I think about it, you know, group homes for example, where there might be four or six or eight people with a developmental disability being told that they all need to live in the same house and not really having a choice in that is still an institutional model. What are your thoughts on that? What do you think should happen with that in those institutions that do exist are institutionalized models such as group homes.
Joe Clayton 32:20
Eric Goll 33:06
Joe Clayton 33:17
Eric Goll 34:04
Yeah, I couldn't agree with you more Joe and, you know, everybody's rights, people with developmental disabilities included, need to be recognized and honored and people disability to be treated just like everybody else. So I completely agree with what you're what you're saying and I and that goes for having choice in their life and being able to choose where they're going to live, what they're going to do, and, and you're a great example, Joe and from you sharing your story in terms of what's possible when somebody is given the right support and somebody's given, you know, tools and resources and you know, you've been able to create a wonderful life with yourself, even though you've gone through those very traumatic experiences. So moving forward just into today, Joe, can you share us with us a little bit more? You mentioned your art gallery if you could share a little bit more about your art gallery, your art and maybe where people could find you either online or getting get in touch with you to learn more.
Joe Clayton 35:22
Eric Goll 36:26
all include it in the in the show notes in the blog for you. Joe's Email: [email protected] So I want to respect your your time here. And yes, I'm super grateful that you came on and shared your story with us and I, you know, I've learned a lot from you and I really admire your resiliency and your strength and your courage to share your very important story with us. So thank you so much for for sharing with me and and the rest of theworld.
Joe Clayton 37:00
Eric Goll 37:25
Thanks, Joe. So a big thank you today to Joe Clayton for sharing his story and experiences with us. The acts forced upon Joe are horrible and no human should ever have to endure those experiences again. By Joe sharing his story hopefully it pushes us to continue to be better, to do better, to value all people. To value people with disabilities. To value indigenous people. To value black people. To value people of color. To value LGBTQ plus people. The social and injustices we're seeing today might look a little bit different than what we heard from Joe, but they still exist. They exist in our systems. They're programmed into our societies and they're programmed into us. We have to do better. I'm Eric Goll. Thank you for listening.