On April 18, 2018, host Pam Marvin welcomed to the show Sister Penny Dunn, OSF, the Vice President of Mission Integration at CHI St. Joseph Health. From her life experiences, especially in caring for patients at CHI St. Joseph, Sister Penny has discovered the great necessity of forgiveness and how it can be achieved even by those who have difficulties letting go of deep wounds. Sister exlplained during the show that a genuine forgiveness can only be brought about through self detachment and situational detachment. Enjoy the show, like RED-C Catholic Radio on Facebook, and follow us on Twitter at @REDCRadio. And remember, when choosing between the values of heaven and the values of earth, always round up!