On this episode I sat down with the head coach of Higher Jiu Jitsu, John Smallios. We haven't had a chat on the podcast for 2 years so it was good to catch up on this format. John's a legend, I owe him a lot and appreciate his guidance, friendship and loyalty over the years!

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