We wrap up Kevin's interview with Prof Bill Mitchell, who surmises that capitalism's profit driven agenda is incapable of solving the problems it has created. Capitalism, and its "market-based solutions", cannot provide the urgently needed climate change repair and sustainability.In discussion with Kev, Anne realises that MMT is turning her into a socialist. Anne then hooks into the Australian Office of Financial Management (AOFM) over its cognitive dissonance. Show Notes Public Money. Public Good. Workshop. Syd '26 Degrowth, Deep adaptation and MMT (blog)More from Bill Mitchell about degrowth. This is a real problem: Australia’s $1trn debt office in chaosJohn Kehoe (Economics editor)Financial Review, Feb 11, 2026 Review of the Australian Office of Financial Management Theme Music Pleading Ignorance, by Ed Kuepper, from the album Starstruck. Additional Audio Rich by Yard Act Too Many Things, by Ed Kuepper, from the album Starstruck.