North Carolina based deathcore band Sagen just released their second album, Roots of Proctor, on January 7th, 2023.  During Episode 074, I have the pleasure of speaking with guitarist and original creative force behind Sagen, Stephen Hegarty, and vocalist Ryan Vail about the band, Roots of Proctor, the Salem Witch Trials, and AI art.  We also chat about weightlifting, religion in heavy music, and video games as a medium for rock and metal.