In our conversation with Joel Wallace, a former AAU basketball coach and currently an assistant college basketball coach, he shares how he was intimidated at coaching the then 15-year-old Trey Lance, who was a big-time athlete in and around Marshall, Minnesota, and his reaction to Lance's rise to being selected third overall in the 2021 NFL Draft by the San Francisco 49ers.

Winning Is Not Everything is a podcast aimed at bringing sanity back to youth sports with conversations with blue-chip athletes and coaches.