Missy Ozeas is a camera operator and energy healer who helps creatives work through their blocks and find their inner peace. If you're a creative struggling to sit down and do the work required to be a pro, you won't want to miss this podcast.

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Missy Ozeas:

I had never seen an a fiat ever in my entire life. And I was going to buy an electric car. And so I'd never seen a fiat. Then I went to go drive this fiat and it was like orange, right? And, and the next day I drove to work, I saw five orange fiats. Right?

Michael Jamin:

But that's

Missy Ozeas:

Because it, my reticulate, ac reticular activating system said, oh, orange fiats are important. So my mind saw them where they didn't see them before. It's not that there were more, it's just that I saw them. Same them,

Michael Jamin:

Right? That's a really good example.

Missy Ozeas:

Yeah. So same with any of us. What do we wanna focus on? That's our choice that we can control.

Michael Jamin:

You're listening to Screenwriters Need to Hear This with Michael Jamin.

Hey everyone, it's Michael Jamin. Welcome back to another episode of Screenwriters. Need to hear this. We got a special podcast today. They're all these special, but this is my friend Missy. And Missy. I'm gonna make you famous today.

Missy Ozeas:

Alright?

Michael Jamin:

That easy you do. All you do is come on the podcast. I'm make you famous. Hello and Missy, let me just tell you what I tell everyone what she's done. So she, I met her years ago. She's a camera operator. Well focus puller technically on just Shoot Me. But she was also working at the same time. Cause that was only like a two day week job. Same time working on friends where my wife was working as an actor. So you knew both of us separately at the same time, I believe, right? Missy?

Missy Ozeas:

Well, actually I did not work on friends or just shoot me .

Michael Jamin:

What are you talking about? Oh, different show we worked on. I thought it was on Just Shoot Me. We met. I,

Missy Ozeas:

No, I mean I was working during that time. I forget what I was on then, but I think I met you. I don't know how I met you.

Michael Jamin:

Go together. I thought it was just shoot me. Was it? Oh,

Missy Ozeas:

You know what I think it was was. Oh, Jenny Garth.

Michael Jamin:

You think it was what?

Missy Ozeas:

Jenny Garth?

Michael Jamin:

No, I wasn't working on. Oh wait. But that was

Missy Ozeas:

Way later. Yeah. But that,

Michael Jamin:

But we were working on something before that together.

Missy Ozeas:

Yeah. Boy, this is called No Memory, but I think I met Cynthia first from preschool.

Michael Jamin:

No, no, no. You worked with her. No. Yes. What kind of introduction were you doing today? .

Missy Ozeas:

Oh my God.

Michael Jamin:

I dunno how we know each other.

Missy Ozeas:

We know each other a long time. Let's put it that way.

Michael Jamin:

And a lot of TV shows. Well, all right, let's just talk about your beginning. I know you went to USC film school, right? Yes. And then you, what, what was your intention when you went there?

Missy Ozeas:

Yeah, so I actually, I wanted to be you Michael. I wanted to be a writer. When I first, well, first I wanted to be a director, and then I wanted be a writer director. Then I just wanted to be a writer. And then I said, forget it. I, you know why? Because it's too solitary for me because I, I love for me

Michael Jamin:

Because TV writing is not solitary. But you didn't know anything at the

Missy Ozeas:

Time. I didn't know. Right. I only knew about feature writing. That's true. Right? I didn't know about a writer's room, cuz that looks fun. But yeah, so feature writing, that's what I wanted to do. And then I realized I couldn't, it wasn't my personality to sit at my computer and write by myself.

Michael Jamin:

You wrote a, I'm sure you wrote a lot of scripts in college, I mean, in film school, right?

Missy Ozeas:

Yeah. And one of my scripts was made into a senior project. So I think five get picked and then, yeah. One of my scripts got picked. So that was fun.

Michael Jamin:

And then you, I mean, in film school, like I always describe film school as basically a trade school. You learn all the trades, right? Yes. And so you learned, obviously all this about camera. You learned everything about cameras. But then, okay, so at what point did you decide I want to go into, you know, be behind the camera that way?

Missy Ozeas:

Well, okay, this funny thing is, I don't consider myself even to this day having been in camera forever. I'm not very technical, Kate. So don't tell anybody that , because I used to be in charge of like fixing the, like, camera goes down. I had to fix it. Right? I am not that. Okay. So in college I realized that was my thing I was most scared about. So I have a tendency to jump into the thing that I'm scared about, which actually it can help. So I was most scared about tech. So I decided to work in the camera stockroom where I would have to learn everything about a camera and lights and everything because I was afraid of it. So I did that. And then I got my hands into that. And then one day somebody had me work on their skin film and they said, Hey Missy, when that guy walks from here to here, move this camera lens from here to here. And I'm like, okay. So I did that. And weirdly, from that point on, people in school thought I was a camera assistant and they would call me to do all their assisting. And then once I graduated, I actually worked in development at Disney and Oh,

Michael Jamin:

That as Yeah, like an executive?

Missy Ozeas:

No, I was like just in the like entry level assisting Okay. A development head at Disney.

Michael Jamin:

Yeah.

Missy Ozeas:

And actually I hated it cuz I didn't like to pick up phones and wear a dress and I just did not like it. Yeah. And on the weekends, people who had graduated ahead of me started calling me like, oh, I have this music video, do you wanna come be my camera assistant? I was like, sure. And then they're like, we'll pay you a hundred bucks. And I was like, Ooh, a hundred bucks. Okay. So yeah. So I just remember one night I was like in a truck and we were pulling focus and we were crashing the truck into a fruit stand in the middle of the night. I was like, man, this is so fun. Wow. I wonder if I could do this for a living. And that's when I quit Disney and I decided to be a camera assistant.

Michael Jamin:

. What people don't realize and they shouldn't realize, it's like, so you have a, there's, there's various people who work literally behind the camera. And the the, what you did was pull focus, meaning you were li you had, I guess it's usually at a cable or now it's probably remote, but you are literally deciding what the, you know, the focus is, but somebody else is actually moving the camera. And sometimes you have a third person actually pushing. Yeah,

Missy Ozeas:

Yeah. For sure. Yes. If that's how we do it, . Yeah. Yeah.

Michael Jamin:

And so it's like, it's a, it is real, it's real teamwork. But, and so what were some of the jobs and I, okay, I know you started in features. What are some, what are the, some of the features and, and TV shows that everyone would've known that you worked on?

Missy Ozeas:

Okay. So you won't know any of the features I worked on cuz they're all really low budget. Okay. But the, so I worked on last man standing with Tama. I worked on the ranch with Ashton Kucher. Mm-Hmm. , I worked on baby daddy. Right On that one I worked on let's see, my wife and kids. Mm-Hmm. I worked on there's so many I can't even remember

Michael Jamin:

So many. Cause we have a couple together. We don't apparently remember what they were, but but yeah, but then, and working on a multi-camera show, which is like shot on a sound stage, which we like friends, which I, or just shoot me, which . Apparently one of us worked on one of this. But, but yeah. And that's a, that's actually a much easier life as opposed to being on a single camera show. Don't you think? At least for you guys it was

Missy Ozeas:

Oh yeah. And in fact that I just got lucky that I ended up meeting somebody who hired me to work in sitcoms Right. When I was wanting to get pregnant. So I actually by accident got into sitcoms and then I was like, whoa, wait, I don't have to build my camera every day. I don't have to travel all around the world. Which was great, but not if you're gonna have kids. Yeah. And you know, I build my camera one time and then it's like a family. You stay there for months and months mm-hmm. and but

Michael Jamin:

Even still, it's only a part-time job because when you're on a multi-camera show, you're working, let's say Thursday, Friday, right?

Missy Ozeas:

It is. But so I would always have two shows. So I would work four days a week and that was perfect. Like, I worked pregnant, both pregnancies, I have two kids. I work pregnant , I nursed on set. I did like everything. I don't know, I dunno how I did it.

Michael Jamin:

How did you get into the union? Because that's not an easy task. And what is, it's II right?

Missy Ozeas:

Yeah, it's local 600. And I got in, in those days you just have to have a hundred paid days. So I would collect call sheets and I, that's where I did a whole bunch of low budget.

Michael Jamin:

That's what you, that's all it is. A hundred paid days on any kind of shoot

Missy Ozeas:

At. I don't know if it's that true anymore. This is a while ago . But that's all I had

Michael Jamin:

To do. I think you just have, you would just show your call. It seems like call sheets could be easily forged, right?

Missy Ozeas:

Yeah. Well they somehow believed it. It, I I'm sure it's different now. I don't know. But that's all I had to do then.

Michael Jamin:

And then you did. And then what, okay, so one thing, you were around, you were around stars during rehearsals, you're around, I mean, what, you know, what did you see? How did you see your, from your end? I mean, I always thought when we were put on a show on for example, just shoot me or any, my multi-camera shows, we'd stage a show and then how the crew would react during the first day of rehearsal was everything. You know? And because you guys were seeing it for the first time in rehearsal and if you guys are laughing, it's good. And if you're not laughing, we have a problem.

Missy Ozeas:

Well, okay, so that's funny. So we had a show concept that that like, okay, so I've been on work so much in comedy, that takes me a lot to laugh.

Michael Jamin:

Yeah.

Missy Ozeas:

So, you know, you're pulling focus and you're right there, like you're eight feet away, 10 feet away from the actors. Like you're really close to them and you're watching them rehearse and you're doing everything. And then, you know, they'll do a joke and you're like, mm. You know, I didn't really laugh, but then the joke was like, oh, Missy laughed.

Michael Jamin:

Right?

Missy Ozeas:

Okay, that's, that must be funny. So . So that, that was good. But we would watch, you know, some of it, like Tim Allen, he's great. He will improv, he will try things. Right? Like that was kinda interesting to watch the actors and the writers together. Like to me, like how they navigate that, I guess how they navigate. I guess Tim could probably do it cuz he's a big star. But he will definitely say, oh that worked, that doesn't work. And then he'd make it funnier or they do something together, they collaborate. So that was always fun to watch how that happens behind the scenes.

Michael Jamin:

And then how, when, how would you get work? Like how does that work for a camera operator?

Missy Ozeas:

Well I got lucky because I worked with the very first DP basically that I worked on in sitcoms. Don Morgan. I worked with him my entire career.

Michael Jamin:

Wait, you didn't have any other dps you

Missy Ozeas:

Worked with? I did have other dps when there were off times or maybe my second show, but literally my entire career is thanks to Don Morgan.

Michael Jamin:

Right. And that's kind of how it goes, right? Us usually DP is director of photography and then they're, they're hired and then they, they basically pick their crew, right? Is that how it usually goes?

Missy Ozeas:

Yes. Yeah. And I just feel super thankful cuz he's like a, the nicest guy. He's very talented and he just kept working. I got lucky every time he worked I get to go with him. So,

Michael Jamin:

And then how would you get other jobs? They, you know, that, that weren't through him.

Missy Ozeas:

Because the sitcom world is so small and so if you think about camera, it's the same group like you probably saw in all your shows. It's kind of the same people. Yeah. So,

Michael Jamin:

Yeah. Yeah. But it's, you know, it's funny cuz you know, working on a multi-camera show is very different from a single camera show. Now, often people float in and out. I mean, at least I'm, I was on low bitch budget shows a lot, so, you know, people would just jump a minute. They get a better offer. .

Missy Ozeas:

Yeah.

Michael Jamin:

But then, and then was it hard for you because le well maybe you didn't do this, but I always felt for people, especially crew members who sub in for a day or two, they don't know anybody, they just jump right in. You know,

Missy Ozeas:

Okay, this is gonna sound funny, but I rarely, I hate day playing. Okay. So this is just me. And I mostly didn't day play mo mostly cuz I didn't really like it. And I, I was always busy. I I really worked a lot, but like, regularly with the same crew. Right. So I guess maybe I was lucky I didn't do it very much. I didn't have to, but I know a lot of people do and it's great because that's, that's great. They're professional. Like anyone could jump in. Like if I got sick, I knew I could call these, these people. They could jump in and do it. It's the same job. It's just that as a focus puller, you have to get used to, okay, what does your camera operator like? Because you're not just point focused and sitcoms, you're also zooming. So you, you're in charge as the actor moves, you've gotta zoom out, you know, so you stay in the frame or what is a, a single look like for this DP or this operator versus that one you different or what is we know, oh, this director's coming in. This director likes, you know, really tight singles. So you just have to know, oh, that guy likes that, or this person likes this.

Michael Jamin:

And do you, and you take notes though, during the run through, right? So, you know,

Missy Ozeas:

Yeah. We, we take notes and, and then I, what I love is I was mostly on the center camera. So the center cameras are the ones that have more movement and they're the, you know, the wider shots. Right. And to me, that's what I love because you pretty much don't even look at your notes. You just looking at that mon and you're just doing it all intuitively. Like that's what I loved. That's what I thrived at. I was bad at technical, but I could in use my intuition to just keep everything in frame. Like, that was so fun. That to me was fun.

Michael Jamin:

Yeah. I, that's so interesting. I remember when I was working on Maron it's a single camera show. And, and it was working on, on loca, on set where, you know, on location it was like some cramped like living room or something. Yeah. . And I was running the show and I was my partner and I remember like, I was hunched over the camera cause I couldn't see, I like video village was somewhere far away. I wouldn't be on set. And, and I was hunched over the guy pulling focus. He got so mad at me. He was like, get off the to go.

Missy Ozeas:

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, sometimes we have to share like that. Occasionally we have to do that with the director. And you're kind of like, well, okay, wait, I need to see too. Yeah,

Michael Jamin:

You need to see too. Right. I knows upset. I was like, I don't wanna fight. File a grievance against me. It's like I, no,

Missy Ozeas:

It's, it's because you know what, it's like you're in his office. If you think about it, this is my, my Apple box and my monitor, my focus point. This is my Apple. I know

Michael Jamin:

This is his an office. And, and the way I felt was like, well this is my set. .

Missy Ozeas:

Yeah, yeah. Right, right. That's true. .

Michael Jamin:

No, but we were, yeah, we were at odds. But I made sure I stayed away from him after that. But after I was like, I don't have the guy, you know, getting calling, calling the union on me or something. But but okay. And so you did, and so mostly you did sitcoms. You didn't even do a lot of dramas,

Missy Ozeas:

Right? Nope. I want, see, once you get in sitcoms, especially if you're a parent, I think mm-hmm. , it's like, it's so I don't wanna say easy, well, kind of easy in that like physically it's easier on your body cuz everything's built and you just come in and it's like a family. I loved it.

Michael Jamin:

We're talking about multi-camera cuz single camera's a whole different thing, right. For you.

Missy Ozeas:

Yeah. That that's not that fun to me.

Michael Jamin:

And, and now there's very few single camera shows. Especially coms rather.

Missy Ozeas:

Yeah, that's true. I mean, so yeah, that's true. It

Michael Jamin:

Really isn't. I mean, so we, cuz I wanna talk about, so I understand why you got into the business and I know you started transitioning outta the business. And so what, what motivated you? Like how did, what was that like? What did you, when did you know it was time ?

Missy Ozeas:

This is how I knew it. Well, I've been kind of bored, I think. But I didn't admit it to myself. And I think we can get complacent. Like we can just say, well this is a good life. And I did, I still loved it, but part of me was bored and then I realized like, you can ask people who work with me. I'm spending a lot of time talking to people about their problems. like, and then it's like, oh, okay, wait, I better get back to my camera and find out what's going on. So I would talk to a lot of people about their problems. I was like, Hey, this is kind of interesting, like what, why is that? And then one day on the ranch, the director came up to me and he said, oh, I mean he is really nice. He's like, okay missy, you know it's time to move up. What do you wanna do next? And like he, he was really kind, that was really nice of him to say. Right. and then literally I think my mouth was like no. And then I was like, whoa, that's super rude. But that's actually what I felt is like what I actually was, I think what was going through my mind was no way in hell do I wanna like learn another trade, uhhuh or even stay in this and really any longer.

Michael Jamin:

But that hadn't occurred to you cuz you at that point, well you've been working as a, in, in camera for, I don't know, 20 something years or more, right?

Missy Ozeas:

Yep.

Michael Jamin:

Yep. It, it hadn't occurred to you that you wanted to do something different before that or you know, you, eh,

Missy Ozeas:

Kinda, but you always get wheeled back in, reeled back in because it's like your whole crew is like, oh, we've got another season on this, or this got a pickup. And it's like, you're kind of going with that tide. And I felt lucky that I was able to do that. Right. And then it's like, why would I, there's not that many spots as a focus puller in Multicam. Why would you give it up? So those sort of beliefs of really it's scarcity or, and also just being scared to even find what the other thing is that you want. Because I didn't know what I wanted. That's the other thing. I didn't even know what I wanted to do. So it was hard to say, I'm gonna leave to do what I don't know. But

Michael Jamin:

If you had, like, let's say a camera up was, was sick, you could have stepped in that day, right?

Missy Ozeas:

Yes. And okay, that was the other thing that was happening is people were saying, okay Missy, it's time to move up, be a cam operator. But I had zero interest in that and that, that I did know. I was like, Ugh, okay then that means I'm gonna have to go back to square one and start working you know, on maybe lower budget things as a cam operator. Well, maybe, maybe not, but I just, it just didn't, it wasn't a hell yes. It was more like a, ugh, that's all I can say.

Michael Jamin:

, you're, you're in this creative business creative field and you were just stagnating and, but you were okay with that. I mean, you, it was, you didn't wanna do anything different.

Missy Ozeas:

Yeah, I didn't know what that would look like. What would that be? I didn't know, but I just knew it wasn't that. So, so actually that's a really good point. I didn't, I had clarity about what I didn't want. I think like, okay, I know I'm getting to the end of this, but I had no clarity on what I wanted. Right. But I actually wanted

Michael Jamin:

And then, and then how did you find that clarity?

Missy Ozeas:

Yeah. So after I said no to the director, I was like, Ooh, that was weird. Okay, I better examine that. So I went back to my meditation. Was

Michael Jamin:

He insulted by the way? Was he like,

Missy Ozeas:

I dunno, he's like a nice guy. I don't know. I, me, I don't know. I never went back and asked him that , right. But yeah, so I went recommitted to my meditation practice, which I had before. And then I just ask every day my meditation, like, give me an answer like what am I supposed to do? But

Michael Jamin:

Lemme ask you this though before you go on, because I meditate as well and I, you're not sup I always feel like you're not supposed to think when you're meditating. Like, I don't understand people who say I ask myself when you're meditating.

Missy Ozeas:

Okay, so this is, that's a great question. So, so I had heard, and I now I really believe this, that if you ask the universe a question by law, it has to answer mm-hmm. . So it will give you an answer whether that's a voice. I mean, you wouldn't think it's a voice in your head, it could be somebody else talking to you and giving you an answer. You read something, you get some kind of answer. So I was like, okay, I'm gonna try that. So I would set the intention at the beginning of the meditation, Hey, during this meditation, by the way, can somebody tell me what I'm supposed to do next?

Michael Jamin:

But at that point, when your mind wanders, you're supposed to get back to focus on whatever your, the breath or whatever it is you're focusing on. So,

Missy Ozeas:

Well I have sort of a thing about that. I don't think there's one right way to do meditation and that might just be me, but I think it's going inward is the point going inward and whatever. So, so some of the, like they say the monkey mind, the thinking that's actually just needs to get out. Like the more we try to like control it, the more it's gonna try to get in there. So part of it is just letting those thoughts come and then letting 'em go.

Michael Jamin:

And then what, because I, because when I'm, if I'm meditate, I'm thinking about, oh, I gotta balance my checkbook or whatever it is, you know, then I think my, nope. Get focus back on, don't, we're not, don't be distracted. Get back on the path of whatever that is. And so I don't understand how we, if you are waiting to hear an answer during your meditation, I don't understand how that's supposed to work.

Missy Ozeas:

Yeah, well I didn't quite understand either until it happened, but what I will say is it's a process and it's different for every person. So when they say you have to meditate this way and you have to do this, this, I don't think so. I think you could be walking and that could be a meditation, like for like some people walk better. It's really just getting into a deeper part of your mind. So you could say it that way or you could say connecting to your higher self. Like there's just different ways to say it, but you're really getting deeper than that surface stuff. Like, I have to do my checkbook or I have to

Michael Jamin:

Do that. Are you, are you thinking or are you trying not to think?

Missy Ozeas:

For, for me,

Michael Jamin:

Yeah.

Missy Ozeas:

For me, when I go to a chase station, actually I'm not trying to do anything. And I think that's might be the key is I'm just, whatever's coming up, I'm kind of sitting there open to whatever's coming up.

Michael Jamin:

So you ask yourself, so you set an intention and are you are, what are you, are you walking? Are you breathing? Are you sitting? What are you doing? For

Missy Ozeas:

Me, I do, I'm better sitting. So I meditate right? When I wake up in the morning, I meditate at the end of the day and Okay,

Michael Jamin:

For how long?

Missy Ozeas:

It's different every time. I have like 30 minutes. It's 30 minutes or less at the beginning. And then at the end of the night it's much less Uhhuh . But you

Michael Jamin:

Close your eyes.

Missy Ozeas:

Yeah, I close my eyes and you're

Michael Jamin:

Sitting in a chair.

Missy Ozeas:

Yeah, I'm sitting up. Oh, in my bed or somewhere. But I, you sit up usually. Right? And then I have my own process of getting in. And that's the thing is also you could use a guided meditation.

Michael Jamin:

Yeah. What is your pro, I'm cur Can you share what your process is?

Missy Ozeas:

Yeah, so I actually call, okay, so now it's gonna get kind of woowoo here, but I call in, so I put my hand here cuz like the high heart. So it's like a touch point. And I call in basically my spirit guides because I believe that we all are guided, however you wanna call it. We have beans that help us gotta get out there. But so I call them in and then I just sit in my meditation and I also do a lot of work for the future . Okay, that sounds weird, but I do a lot of like if my daughter is having something going on, like, or okay, just say my daughter has a job interview, then I will do some energy work around my daughter making sure she's sc grounded, she's safe and she has really good job interviews. So it's a lot about outcomes. Like, or also I do a lot of envisioning of like, what would be the highest outcome, you know, this or something better. So I do a lot of work where I envision what I want and then it going well. Things I should, that's so many

Michael Jamin:

Things like that. I'm gonna interrupt you for just one second. Get back on it. So I should mention, you got out of working on set and now you are a healer and this is how you help people. So yeah. , this is why, why you know so much about this, but okay, so let's say you're, let's say your daughter's going on an interview and you're trying to help her Bryce setting an intention. And by the way, you helped me about with something. So I'm gonna talk about that in a second. But, so she goes out on interview and you're trying to, you're setting, setting out this energy, hoping that it goes well, but let's say it doesn't.

Missy Ozeas:

Yeah. So, okay. So that's a really good point. So to me, so I'm an energy healer. So what I do is I work with the energy in a person. So every person has an energetic field and inside that field it are beliefs, like limiting beliefs, right? Trapped emotion. There are all these things in here. So I'll get back to how this works. So basically as a healer, a heal to heal really just means to balance. So you're re helping somebody rebalance, but it's also like a handshake. So I can offer a healing to you, but it's up to you if you want to take that handshake mm-hmm. . And that's the first thing. So you have to want to accept it. And you might say, well, okay wait, are you talking to your daughter? Are you talking to this person? This is on a different, it's like everybody. So I believe we are a spirit with a body. So this is spirit to spirit work. So if my daughter's spirit doesn't want to accept that, that's fine, right? I can't force anything on anyone. And that is exactly how it should be. So there's

Michael Jamin:

But is she aware that you're doing this for her or no?

Missy Ozeas:

No. Oh, it depends. Like sometimes people ask me, so the work I do, people are actually asking me, oh, can you work on this? Can you work on that? And if I send a healing quote, send a healing to somebody, it's just me extending it out and then it's up to their spirit if they wanna take it. Because we never wanna take somebody off. What is, so you asked what if it didn't go well, that's, that's because it wasn't meant to be right? It wasn't, that's her, that's for her. Cuz we always say this or something better and something better to us, we might say, oh, she didn't get that job. That must be terrible that that's a bad thing. But what we don't really realize is that was probably the best thing she wasn't supposed to get. That there's something better or it saved her from something. Rejection is protection. Mm-Hmm. you know, or, or redirection.

Michael Jamin:

But does she, I guess I'm asking does she have to buy in for it to work?

Missy Ozeas:

No. So that's a really good question. So a lot of times also I work on people who are babies. So they didn't buy in, right? They, or they're not physically understanding. Or if somebody is sick, like say you have a parent and they're like, you know they're unconscious or something, you can still work on an offer of that person and it's up to that person's spirit, whether they not wanna take it or not. So no, you don't have to consci because it's not same as therapy. Like when we're in therapy, we're talking about it and it's about our mind. This is deeper than the mind. So you don't, you could be, you and I could work together and you could be sleeping and I could still work with you because I'm working with your spirit, not with Michael. Y your personality.

Michael Jamin:

And then how do I know? How do I know if it worked then if I'm, if I'm asleep?

Missy Ozeas:

Oh, we, yeah, well cuz you'd kind of watched the outcomes. You, so you'd watch for outcomes and you, so, so example is like if we looked at you, Michael, and we said, oh, okay Michael, like if you said, you know, or we say we have a screenwriter, a young screenwriter who's coming up really wants to sell this screenplay. But if I looked in his field, it, I saw something that said, you know, I'm not good enough. Like maybe there were three and something happened and they have that belief I'm not good enough. Well, it's gonna be really hard for that person to sell that screenplay because they're going to feel, well I'm gonna turn it in, but it's probably not good enough and they're gonna approach with that energy. Right? So wait, I don't know if that answered your question, Well

Michael Jamin:

No, it's interest. Cause I wanna, it's funny, I, I worked, well you worked with me. So I think it was a couple years. I know it might have been two, two

Missy Ozeas:

At least, right?

Michael Jamin:

Yeah. And so I was just, I was in this space where I'm writing this book and it was just at the beginning of this book. And then you helped me and I wrote down, I have and I have them my notes what you wrote down. Oh actually it was, it says September. Well, I'm not sure if that's right, but you spoke to me about a couple of things and the ones that I wrote down were my voice is a gift to this world.

Missy Ozeas:

Yeah, well

Michael Jamin:

That was a big one and that really meant a lot to me. And I really went off thinking about that a lot afterwards. And then the other one was, what lies am I telling myself? I think you said that as well. And then, but is that something you was that specific to me that, I mean that's good advice for everyone, but is that specific to me?

Missy Ozeas:

Okay, so the voice is, your voice gift is very specific to you. And would you say that with everything that's happened? So I've watched you and it's like so awesome. I just love it that, so I've seen you twice in your play or your readings, right? And I think that like I can, I'm sitting in the audience so I can feel what the audience, how they're reacting to you. And also I've seen you on social media like since the time that we worked together. You've really used your voice. It's super amazing. I'm not saying cause of the work we did, but I'm saying because you chose to do that. And even if it was scary, I don't know to you, you walk through that fear and that's when our manifestations come in, when we do the clearing and we walk through, you take action and walk through fear, which you clearly did. And you're clearly in alignment because a lot of amazing things are happening for you and you're using, you are using your voice.

Michael Jamin:

But I still feel, you know, it's funny to say, I still feel stuck sometimes. I still, you know, it is, it feels like it doesn't go away really, you know?

Missy Ozeas:

Well, and that's also, it's like I always say our energy's like an onion. So we did the work on what? So I ask your body what we, we ask specifically for whatever you were working on. Your body will show me those pieces that need to be released that are blocking you. But then the next thing will come up, right? And, and that's what we wanna do is then watch what's the next things that's triggering us and we're gonna know that's the next thing I need to work on. So we're always to work in progress.

Michael Jamin:

But then how do you, how do you know what these layers, the onion are for me? Is it in, are you intuiting it, are you like what you know?

Missy Ozeas:

Yeah. Okay, so that's that weird thing. So I have this weird gift and, and where I can see energy and like when I was little I saw ghosts and stuff and I was scared of looking in the mirror because I would see things uhhuh, . But then I cut it off cuz I could tell that that was not appropriate. So I hid that part of myself, right? But after I started doing training, I, I started getting certifications and training in it. Then it, it grows right? Just like a muscle, right? You get stronger, you're a better runner the more that you train for it. So in training I was able to bring it out. So yeah, I can look at somebody and see where we a just ask your body a question cuz your body holds the key. It holds all these nonphysical elements of, of Michael in there.

Michael Jamin:

And, and so do you work a lot with, is it crea, is it everybody or is it mostly creative people or is it creative people? Like, you know,

Missy Ozeas:

I, I can I work with, I could work with anybody. I would say that mostly they're creatives, mainly because I came from that field. Like if I came from maybe corporate, I might work with corporate, but I don't work with corporate because that's

Michael Jamin:

How they find you.

Missy Ozeas:

Yeah. some odd people in Hollywood. Yeah. And

Michael Jamin:

Do you, so, okay, so you work mainly with creative people. Do you feel like they tend to have a certain, is there a similarity that you see with creative people? Like a pattern maybe? Yeah,

Missy Ozeas:

It's that their voice or what they have to say isn't good enough. It's, I guess most people have this, but really with creatives, it's this fear that what they have inside isn't enough. And that's what I love. That's why I love working with creatives because it is, we are all you being authentic. So you actually being totally Michael is the thing that draws people to you. And, and even when we, and then the thing is we start judging ourselves. That's the part about the lies that we were talking about with you. Yeah. Is is that actually true? Because you might perceive something through your own sort of wounds or things that happen when you were little. But the rest of us isn't, we don't see that we Right. We just want you to be authentically you. Cuz then that's interesting. We don't want like another copy of someone else.

Michael Jamin:

So you're basically saying it's imposter syndrome.

Missy Ozeas:

Yes. Everybody has.

Michael Jamin:

Yes. Pretty much has.

Missy Ozeas:

Yes. So it's uncovering what keeps you hiding, what is it?

Michael Jamin:

But is there anybody, this is gonna sound mean , but is there anybody who, like when you say like, your voice is a gift, is there anybody whose voice isn't a gift? You know what I'm saying? Is there, is there anybody whose talent doesn't measure up?

Missy Ozeas:

Well it depends. I would not say everybody's voice is a gift because they have a different gift. You have the gift of a voice that's very specific to you. But somebody else might have the gift of painting that's not a voice. That's their painters or their I don't know, you know, they can create a great house. They're they interior designer, right? Everyone has different gifts. And that is the thing about purpose. It's like if anybody here is looking for their purpose, it's what comes easy and natural to you. That's one piece. And that doesn't come easy and natural to other people and what brings you joy. And if you can put those things together, that is the, the, the sweet spot. And so for you, you, your voice, the what you have to say actually with the voice, what you're writing, all of that is what you're naturally good at. And then, well, I guess I would ask you, is it, do you like it?

Michael Jamin:

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Well yeah, I mean, yeah, when you select my, my show, like that's, we're doing, putting more energy into that. It feels kind of important. But it does feel, it does feel like like it's, it's al it's almost crazy how much, like, what I want is, it is like the road is so long, there's so much building that has to go into going down this road. It almost feels crazy. Hey, that's,

Missy Ozeas:

That's different though. What about when you are doing it, when you're either riding it or when you're performing it, what is that? You know

Michael Jamin:

What, right before I go on, you know, in that stage, every single time I go on, I can hear the audience chattering. The music comes on and I'm my heart, you know, I'm getting a little nervous and almost every single time before I go on, I go, why am I doing this ? But, and then, and I've asked myself that question a lot to a lot of different people. And I think the best answer I can come up with is because I can.

Missy Ozeas:

Because you can. Okay. What are you feeling like while you're doing it?

Michael Jamin:

You know, this is, you know, Cynthia directs it, so she's trained me a lot. I'm, yeah, I'm really supposed to be lost in it. I'm supposed to be in that moment. And sometimes if I slip out and I go, wait a minute, I'm not performing, I'm not in the moment, I'm not performing it now I gotta get back. I gotta be in that moment. And so I'm almost not really conscious of what's going on. I'm in it. And sometimes I think, I don't know, you've seen a couple of shows, but afterwards a couple pieces are very emotional and I could tell the people in the audience are almost thinking like, is he gonna be okay? , you know, I'm in it, it it,

Missy Ozeas:

But that's, but that's flow. Like, you know, we're in flow when we're so in it. I don't know, maybe when you write are you also in flow? You know, when it just starts, comes not that every moment is like that, but flow is also when we know that we're kind of doing the thing that we're supposed to be doing. Not everybody is in flow when they're writing. Not everyone can get up there and, and be in a character and, or I guess you're not a character, you're you. But yeah, be up there and be okay and be in flow. Not everybody can do that. That's the thing is you, so you're married to Cynthia who's an actress, so you might have this view and you work in Hollywood, so you might think, you know what, everyone can do this. No, that's a skewed view.

Michael Jamin:

. Yes. That's what I do think I do. I do feel like, well I work with a lot of writers who could do what I'm doing, but they just choose not to. And so, but you're right, it does, it does in many ways it kind of discounts it because it, it seems normal. I'm around people who do this kind of thing, you know? And so I don't really think, well, I it's not that special. We all can do it, you know,

Missy Ozeas:

And that's part of the lies, right? We wanna see like, is it a lie? Can everyone do this? No. Also we often discount what we're good at because it is so natural. Like I would guess that it's really easy for you to write, say you've been a writer for a long time, that not that every moment is easy, but you can write. So you kind of like, well that's not so special. I don't know, I've always done it or Right, I've done all, but no, it's not true. And that's true for a, you know, a tennis player or anybody. A lot of us discount what we're actually naturally good at because it comes so easy. And that's a great question to ask your friends or your spouse, like, well, what do you guys think I'm good at? If you can't figure out what you're good at yourself, ask somebody who knows you and they'll tell you.

Michael Jamin:

Yeah, see it. Yeah, I remember what, what's kind of struck me after doing a bunch of these shows and we're gonna do more again, I guess in the summer or the fall, something like that. But after I do these shows, people would come up to me and then they'd start telling me their secrets. You know,

Missy Ozeas:

. Okay. Okay. And how do you feel about that?

Michael Jamin:

It, it, it was shocking. It felt like an honor. It, it sometimes feel like, at first it was like, why are you telling me this? You know? . But, but I think it's because I just did the same, I had just done the same to them that they wanted to rec, they felt it was safe to, to reciprocate. You know? Do

Missy Ozeas:

You see that? No. It's so exciting. Okay. Do you see that's what I mean about your voice's gift because you are gifting that, that sense of vulnerability and safety that we see when you go on stage, then we feel that. And I've been in your things where I was crying actually. So I felt that. But then people telling you that means that you have created this space for somebody else to feel safe. To tell you that is a gift to, it's like a key to unlock. It's so another way we could say you have the key, you have a key to unlock that not everybody can do that.

Michael Jamin:

Right? That's another thing you taught me. And I, that's another thing which I really, for years you told me. I mean, yeah, your voice is your gift. And when I, when I heard gift for years, I'll think, you know, people say, oh, you're gifted, you're a gifted writer. I interpret that it as mean as like the universe had given me this gift and now I have it and now it's mine. And then you said that it doesn't have to mean that your voice is your gift could mean your gift for everyone else. Yeah. And that changed a lot to me. That changed everything. Cuz then it felt like it's selfish. If I don't give the gift, it's theirs. It's not for me, it's for them. Yeah. And then it takes, it, it really changed a lot because part of it, yeah, it felt like, well this is my obligation is to give this gift. It No, it's not. It's at first it felt like, well, okay, I have this thing and I'm, I'm almost like, is it showing off? Or is it, is it about me if I'm doing, if I have this gift and, and you're like, no, it's about, it's about them. It's for them.

Missy Ozeas:

Yeah. And, and, and the other thing I would say is, so when you were born, this is you, but this is everybody listening. You were actually, were given gifts, the gift of writing, the gift of insight, the gift of whatever all your gifts are specific to Michael. And then you are also given desires. So the desire for you to get your work out there or be on tour or any of that. Mm-Hmm. is actually the gift because that's how we know where to go is the desires and, and the the gifts that you were given. And then you give that. So it's a double gift. You were gifted and then you're gifting back out. And that's how all of us who have imposter syndrome should view it that way. It's not about us, it's not about the comparison. It's just about, oh my gosh, what gifts do I have? What feels good for me to give out? And then that's all. We don't even have to think about how it's re received. We just give it.

Michael Jamin:

That's, that's right. And it's cuz when we were, when Cynthia and I were, you know, working on the play my show and she's directing me at every step, we're always thinking, well I always, I always thinking, what else can I give the audience? What else, how else can I give them more? You know, that's another thing. People are paying whatever is 35 bucks for a ticket. I'm like, you, you gotta give them more like whatever. It's not enough because it's a lot of money, you know?

Missy Ozeas:

Oh. But then that's a belief in there though that, so that's interesting because that's almost like you're saying what I actually have my show isn't maybe enough.

Michael Jamin:

Right. Right. Yeah, I know.

Missy Ozeas:

And yeah, so, so that would be like kind of coming through like what's underneath that, like what emotions are underneath that? And then what age were you when you first believed that to be true? Because it's almost like, well I'm not sure if this is what it is, but equating $35 equals this, so it should be looked like this when actually you are priceless. You there isn't another person that's like my fault. Yeah.

Michael Jamin:

But, but you know how it is. Like, first of all, I'm asking people, okay, to buy a ticket. I'm asking 'em to take whatever, an hour and a half out of their day, their evening to get dress, go to the theater. It's a big ask. You know, park the car, get a babysitter. Maybe it's a big ask. And then nothing is worse than bad theater.

Missy Ozeas:

Okay. But that, so that's interesting you say it that way because I, as I, okay, so I have gone to the shows. I didn't think of it that way that you're saying. I was like, oh cool, I get to have an hour and a half or whatever time to not think about anything else. To just sit, immerse in a dark room listening to stories, feeling emotions without having to do anything else. So at that's very interesting that you feel it that way. And I don't, I didn't see it that way at all. You could have

Michael Jamin:

Gone, there was a million shows you could have gone to that night, you know, if you wanted to sit in the dark and and experience a show.

Missy Ozeas:

Yeah. But I was excited to go to yours. I mean, and I think that that's the other thing to remember, free will and choice people, anyone who is in your theater, they chose to be there, right? So second guessing, oh no, did they choose to be there? Did someone make them be there? Do they not wanna be here? That doesn't actually help them because that's then you're maybe not giving your best performance. I guess what they came to see you, it should just be okay. I, they came to see me or they wouldn't be here. Cause yeah, they choose free will.

Michael Jamin:

That's something else Cynthia helped me with was like, I don't, I don't know which, which shows you came to, but at one point, maybe halfway through the run, Cynthia's like, you're not taking the stage the right way. I'm like, well how am I supposed to take the stage? She goes, you walk on the stage and you're a rockstar. That's what she wanted me to feel like. You've gotta feel like you're a rockstar. I'm like, but I'm not a rockstar. She, you are when you take the stage . And that was difficult, you know, to get that, to accept that it didn't feel humble, you know?

Missy Ozeas:

Ah, so also I've heard you say a couple things about that. So humble or is that selfish? So that's actually programming, right? So somewhere, and I'm not picking on you, this is like all no, I,

Michael Jamin:

This is helpful for me.

Missy Ozeas:

Things is that when we feel like, like that's bragging or I shouldn't market my show or I shouldn't, you know, I must be humble. That's actually somewhere, somewhere down the line we learned that our well basically that being who we are is too much kind of, or, or we learn like damp it down, tamp it down. And what good does that do? Like that doesn't that a lot of us were trained to dim our light. I mean, that's how we say it, right? Yeah. To be smaller bec in the name of being humble, but being humble really means throwing a lot of dirt on you so no one can see you. I mean like, that's how I see it. It's just like,

Michael Jamin:

But no one likes people who are, who are, who brag or who you know. Right. There's

Missy Ozeas:

A difference though, between bragging and then inviting. Okay. So that's another way to think about. So if we think about selling, selling is like, please buy my thing. Maybe we might think like, oh look how great I am. See, but there's another version of that which is inviting, inviting you into your world. So you are, so that's another way you are inviting us to sit in your world with you for this amount of time. And I think it's fascinating. Like, it's fascinating to listen to your stories or learn a little bit more about your life or the way that you were thinking at that time in your life. Like, I wasn't like in your show, it's not like I'm sitting there like, oh my god, I'm like in it. I'm in it. Right? And that's what people want. Just like why do we go to the movies? We wanna escape, we wanna go into someone else's story. And that's a value, right? Well you right. That you gave us and if I didn't wanna go, I would just not buy a ticket. So if it helps you just know everybody wanted to be there.

Michael Jamin:

Right? But how do you clear that block? If that's something I deal with

Missy Ozeas:

The, oh well we'd have to ask your body questions. I mean, if you want me to, I could ask

Michael Jamin:

Right now. I dunno, we're we're, this is, we're just talk. I don't make you gimme a free reading. I'm just No, no,

Missy Ozeas:

No, let's just do it for fun. I'm gonna ask your body right now. Okay. What is your question? Would you say it's about,

Michael Jamin:

Well what, yeah, what's my question?

Missy Ozeas:

Okay, so what do, so the block is I feel like I'm bragging or is it? Yeah.

Michael Jamin:

Okay. Right. Yeah. Am I not being humble? Yeah. Well people like me if I'm not humble maybe. Is that it?

Missy Ozeas:

Yeah. Okay. Okay, so p people, so what is the root cause? So we can, so we do this way. What's the root cause of, of your belief that people won't like me?

Michael Jamin:

Well maybe it's cuz I don't like people who are not humble.

Missy Ozeas:

Yeah. But it kind of goes both ways though. It's a belief, right? You wouldn't see it. It be yourself and to other people. It that makes sense to me. So let, let's just see. Okay, so now this is where I get an idea of where it is. So this in your solar plexus. So solar plexus is right, be right here, right? You can see, say right below your breast bone. Okay. So what comes to me is feeling overwhelmed with all the shoulds and half dues in your life. So that's the piece and that, that came maybe like eight or nine years old. So one, do you recognize that feeling?

Michael Jamin:

It's so interesting. Everyone's gonna be lining up to, to, they're gonna wanna go to your website right after this and lineup to get, you know, reading from you. So we'll, I'll be sure to mention that. But well, you know, as a kid, sure I was an obedient kid. Whatever my parents told me to do, I, that was, that was what I did.

Missy Ozeas:

Okay. Do you remember anything specific around that age?

Michael Jamin:

Specific to exactly what?

Missy Ozeas:

So, so how so? Oh yeah. Okay. I guess this is say, so this belief or this energy of feeling overwhelmed with all the shoulds and the have tos, which is kinda like being in a box. Like we could say like, have I have to stay in here otherwise I won't be loved probably, or safe or loved. That feeling you trapped it right here in your body and your solo plexus at, around the age of eight or nine from a specific event. So how I could look is maybe something happened at school or with your parents, but a specific event if you can't recall it. Okay. So sometimes we're like, I can't remember anything. Well, it's okay, your body is telling me Right. That that is what it is. But I always ask, I mean, do you actually recall anything?

Michael Jamin:

I, I mean I, I do recall being in school and being very nervous about getting, doing my homework Right. Doing my, you know, get, you know, doing everything right. And it's funny, you know, it's funny. Oh,

Missy Ozeas:

Okay.

Michael Jamin:

I, I, my mother saves all like my, all my report cards when I was like six years old or first grade, I guess that's six years old. And on in en it said Michael's, the teacher wrote, he's very concerned about getting everything right. And he comes to me when he has an assignment, he keeps coming back to me to make sure he's doing it right. God forbid he does it wrong. , like, I was always checking with her to make sure I'm doing it right.

Missy Ozeas:

Okay. So do you still feel that today

Michael Jamin:

To some degree Yeah.

Missy Ozeas:

Yeah. Okay. So this is the, I know it's like, wait, what does this have to do with being humble? But it actually, your body's telling me it does. So it's actually the, the way I see it is that I have to act a certain way or I won't be loved. Right? I mean, so, so if I'm not, if I'm something that feels like bragging or I'm something else, I won't be loved. But it's based on being overwhelmed by half tos and shoulds at that young age. Mm-Hmm.

Michael Jamin:

. Right?

Missy Ozeas:

I mean, again, this is only part of it. I mean, likely there's a lot more, but I'm just asking for one piece

Michael Jamin:

And what do I do? Do I meditate on that and try to release that?

Missy Ozeas:

No, you just get rid of it. Look, . Well that's, that's the work. Okay. So the work that I do then is I find what those specific pieces are right for you. And then I hold the intention to release it and then we, okay, so now it sounds kind of weird. Okay, so this is how I explain it. Your we're made of energy. So our physical bodies also have an energy field around it. And in that field, in the energy field are, are like these beliefs that stop us from doing what we want, really want with our lives. It's conditioning, it's family programming, all those things. And so we energy will move according to intention and observation. That's like something you can look up with. It's quantum physics, like Google, quantum physics. Mm-Hmm. , you'll see there's experiments and things that show if you look at something that it will change the outcome.

Right? So by finding, so together we observe, like we find exact piece of energy where it is in your body, the ag, where when you trapped it and then it hold the intention to release it. And then we put new, like another belief in that's more empowering. Like for you it's like, it's almost like the opposite. It's you know, like I'm safe. I don't know, we'd have to find one for you that feels right for you, but it's like I'm safe to be me. I mean it's really kind of something like that. Just like feeling safe.

Michael Jamin:

But then how long, once you release it, how long could you expect it to stay released? Like doesn't it come back?

Missy Ozeas:

It depends. I mean, sometimes I have to work with people longer, you know, more than, that's why I mostly work with people for two months so that we can release and then we integrate and then we kind of do some work in between the sessions and then we do another session and then we really can clear something out. And also likely that's only one piece we found. I am feeling like there's more other ones besides that and they're all kind of together. Right. You know, tabled together. The other thing though, it informs you, it helps you. So we know overwhelmed with all the have tos and shoulds also can help you think about your life now, not just with writing, but do you actually feel overwhelmed? Are there a lot of things that you feel like should be a certain

Michael Jamin:

Yeah.

Missy Ozeas:

Or you should do things So it's,

Michael Jamin:

Yeah, I struggle with that a lot. What should I, am I supposed to be doing this? Am I supposed to be, I, you know, I was supposed to be doing something else when I was younger, when I was in my twenties, you know, I think people called it existential angst. Am I supposed to be doing this? Am I supposed to be doing something out? And that's how I called. That's how what I thought about it myself.

Missy Ozeas:

So it's actually trust actually, now that we really talk about it, it's really self-trust. So think about you when you were talking about when you were little and you would say, oh, is this right? Did I do it right? Yeah. That's outsourcing Right. Your own that it really, it should be like, oh I know I did this. Right? Right. But it's okay. You were little but you were outsourcing that to somebody else to show you. Is that right or wrong? Right. And so we could say today your the greatest thing you could do for yourself would be really to trust yourself. Right.

Michael Jamin:

Right. And that's hard for a lot of people I think.

Missy Ozeas:

Yes, absolutely. Yeah. This is not just for you. We're not picking on you today. No. This is a good message for everybody is that we trust the gifts we were given. We trust the moment in time and we take those actions that might be scary, but sometimes it's just discomfort cuz we've never been there before.

Michael Jamin:

So why do you think people give away that kind of agency? Is it because

Missy Ozeas:

A lot of it is programming. I mean Right. Like we are taught teachers know best. Yeah. Or maybe when you're even younger than the age that we found that maybe you were no, let's not pick on your mom and dad cuz they were trying their best, but maybe they real had the kind of authority parents where they're like, no Michael, just follow the, this is the right, this is wrong. Right. This is the way to do it. And you weren't given agency, you weren't given, you weren't asked maybe a choice. Oh Michael, do you like, do you wanna wear the red shoe today? Or the blue shoe. Right? So things like that take away our agency.

Michael Jamin:

But even now as an adult, why do you feel adult? Just cuz they're conditioned. I mean it seems like, it seems like it might be, well, if I don't let somebody else decide if I'm doing it right, I can't if I'm not doing it right. You know, why do people not, don't trust themselves, I guess is the right question.

Missy Ozeas:

I still think it's goes back to programming because we weren't taught to care or we weren't taught to trust ourselves. And that is actually the magic is when we just trust our gut. Yeah. Even when nobody, like I went from being camera assistant to be an energy healer. That is a very weird thing. I had to do a lot of clearing on myself cuz that's weird like that. Yeah. That's weird. So, but I had to trust myself enough to say, okay, everybody, nobody understands this, but I'm gonna do this because I know it's the right thing. And

Michael Jamin:

That's a, that's very hard cuz then you're opening yourself up to judgment and and you're changing your identity.

Missy Ozeas:

Yes. But what if we didn't allow ourselves to be open to judgment? Because does it really matter? Because here's the thing is some people, okay, if I look at myself, some people are gonna say, oh my God, Missy, you're so crazy. Or That is weird. I don't get what you do, I don't like it. But then there were all these other people who I helped and who loved it. So you are never gonna please everybody. There's gonna be people who love your show, people who hate your show. Right. That's just fact. Right. Nobody's gonna always love us. So we have to trust. We might as well, okay, we're gonna go through this life. We're never gonna get everyone to agree on everything, so why not do what we love and just put that out there.

Michael Jamin:

But do you, it sounds like, I mean, it sounds like you do you, do you ever have any doubts about, I mean, , even though you convinced yourself what you just said, don't be, don't worry about being judged. Do you still doubt?

Missy Ozeas:

Absolutely. Like I, like, you know, like going on Instagram or doing like you do, that was inspiring that, I mean, since it was telling me a y a year before like Missy get on Instagram, I'm like, oh, you can't do it. Like, my stuff didn't even have my face on it. Yeah. I wasn't doing podcasts, I wasn't doing anything. So that was, I had to walk through fear. But, you know, what helped me was I knew I was helping people. So same thing for you, you know, you're connecting to audiences. You can see our fate. I think you can, right. You can see we're reacting.

Michael Jamin:

Oh, in the now I can't see a thing. Oh, you can't

Missy Ozeas:

See anything .

Michael Jamin:

Also people were wearing masks, you know? Oh,

Missy Ozeas:

That's

Michael Jamin:

True. But, but even still the lights were right in my eye. I couldn't see anything.

Missy Ozeas:

But do you know that, do you know that people, you must have got feedback. Do you I

Michael Jamin:

Could sense it. You could feel it. Like you could feel when people are in it, you know, you could, you could hear a pin drop, you know, or you could hear a laughter or you could hear the, you know, siren. And

Missy Ozeas:

People tell you probably give you feedback after so that you know that you are making some kind mm-hmm. of difference or you're affecting people and that's amazing. It's your gift. That's your gift. And you're giving your gift and then, you know, it's okay. Another way to think of it, it's like say I, I came to your house and I gifted you this pen. Mm-Hmm. , I gifted to you. And I don't think about it anymore. It's not like I'm, oh, I wonder if Michael's using that pen. Oh, I didn't see him up. No, you just gifted and then you're, you, you're done.

Michael Jamin:

So what, how does that relate to me though?

Missy Ozeas:

So you give your gift of your speaking in your words. Right. And that's the act and that's all

Michael Jamin:

Okay. Not to expect not to, not to expect from it.

Missy Ozeas:

Yeah. Just in the way, if you gave me a pen, you wouldn't be worried about whether I was using it or not. You probably wouldn't think about it again. Right. You wouldn't have given the, you the act of giving it with your heart was Right.

Michael Jamin:

That's it.

Missy Ozeas:

And then it's done.

Michael Jamin:

Because that's something we, I even, I even question right now is like, well how do I grow this? How do I do more? How do I, you know, this, the theater has 50 seats. How do I do it for a hundred? How do I, how do I take it on the road? How do I do, you know, how do I get to the next step?

Missy Ozeas:

So, so yeah. Okay. Well, I'm not sure. Let's see. Yeah, , , well I'm not sure, but one thing I would say is looking into what feels right. Like, does it feel like when you think, oh, doing a a hundred person, or sorry, a hundred seat theater, like, does that feel good? Or does that feel like, ooh, no way, I don't wanna do it. Like, or does it feel better, you know, kind of tune into what feels or sounds good to you? It

Michael Jamin:

Feels, it feels better. Okay. It feels like I do like, you know, it sounds corny, but like, I, I, I have, I buy into what you're saying, which is like, haven't for a while. It's like, how do I, how do I touch more people? How do I give them this? How do I, you know, and I know, I know it's a little, I get something out of it too. So it's not entirely like unselfish. But I also feel like, well this helps people too. So,

Missy Ozeas:

Yeah. And sometimes I think that we get stuck with metrics like mm-hmm. , oh, that sold out and that one didn't. Or I only made this amount of money. Or that, or when really it's a, it's a, it's a road, right? It's gonna go ebb and flow, just like the tides, they go in and they go out. That's nature. Right, right. So our, our careers or your writing, it's going to have that natural flow, but it's like a spiral ever moving upwards. So sometimes it looks like, oh, I'm going back. Oh, no, no, no. But you're actually going, you're just on.

Michael Jamin:

I know it's going up though.

Missy Ozeas:

Cause I believe that we're always going up because, okay. Even so that's a really good question. So I would argue this month saying this is gonna happen at all, but say next month now you're done. You're not selling anymore tickets. It's, it's not, your show isn't going anymore. I'd still say that's moving upward because my guess is it's the, the universe clearing out for the next iteration of Michael to come in. Uhhuh . What that is, I don't know. But that's how, if we can believe we're okay. So we can believe whatever we want in the world, but if we believe that everything's actually working for us, that makes me feel way better than the everything's just happening. Right. And, and we get to choose which perspective do we want.

Michael Jamin:

Right? That's the choice. Whether you wanna be optimistic or pessimistic. Yeah. So, but you have to just make that choice, you're saying

Missy Ozeas:

Yes, because that's your choice. That's your power. We, and remember we're talking about outsourcing our power outsourcing for approval. We, we get to choose everything that we think we can. Look at the theater half empty, half full. Right? We could. It's our, that is our power how we choose to think

Michael Jamin:

Of that's cuz we, one of the thing you told me as well, you gave me a link to a, a video to watch, you know, of this guy. And, and, and in the link the guy said, like it was Einstein said, the most important decision you'll make is, is the universe benevolent. And that's it. And if you could decide that it is, then that's what you'll see. And if you think the universe is out to get you, that's what you'll see.

Missy Ozeas:

Okay. So there's something called the reticular, reticular activating system in the brain. And it, well, yeah, I think it's in the brain and it basically scan. So it's, it's in charge of how we scan things. So if you think only bad things happen, your mind will, will, will go, okay, let me only find the bad things. Cuz I know that that's what Michael prioritizes. So I'm gonna only show him bad things because our minds can't take in everything all at once. Right. So we, we need to take control of that, that that's, you know, we, we need to show the world. We need to kind of tell ourselves what's important. So I'll give you an example. I had never seen an a fiat ever in my entire life. And I was going to buy an electric car. And so I'd never seen a fiat. Then I went to go drive this fiat and it was like orange, right? And, and the next day I drove to work, I saw five orange fiats. Right? But that's cause my reticulate ac reticular activating system said, oh, orange fiats are important. So my mind saw them where they didn't see them before. It's not that there were more, it's just that I saw them.

Michael Jamin:

Right. That's a really good example.

Missy Ozeas:

Yeah. So same with any of us. What do we wanna focus on? That's our choice that we can control.

Michael Jamin:

That's so important for, I'm sure for people, everyone listening to me right now, this podcast is like, cuz it's a cr people, it's creatives, it's creatives. And it's very easy to get frustrated when you think you're not getting in as far as you want in your field, but maybe you're getting farther than you think.

Missy Ozeas:

Yeah. And sometimes that helps. Like when I'm like, okay, so if you think, oh my God, I got rejected, oh, all I'm doing is getting my scripts rejected, then take a moment and think about, okay, all the times when in my life when actually things have gone well for me, and it doesn't have to be in screenwriting. It could be that time I asked someone on a date and they said, yes, or I won this contest, or I got this, whatever, it doesn't matter. But really trying to refocus back to what you're really doing is trying to fill your body with the energy of like, oh yeah, things actually do work out for me. Right. So you're trying to get the opposite, basically of that feeling of rejection

Michael Jamin:

. Right. Wow. It's such a, it's such an important and what, what you're doing now, it's such a far cry from what you were, what you were doing. Like how do, yeah. How do you reconcile that? How do you feel like, you know, I don't know about the past 20 years and what you're doing now. I mean, you're a different person, really, kind of.

Missy Ozeas:

Yeah. But I think that that's the great thing is that we can always be. So I just think of it as that was part of my journey. I learned so many great things and it was fun and all these things, but then there's another part of myself that was waiting to be born. And I think that we all look that we're never too old to come back to yourself. And it's really coming back to what's authentic to you. So that's true for every creative is what's authentic to you is the thing that's wanting to be born. So if it's starts a script or you're an actress, or you're an energy healer, whatever it is, there is something in us that wants to come out. Right? And that's the greatest gift we can give the world. What is that thing that wants to birth

Michael Jamin:

Right. Wow. That's so interesting. Yeah. I mean I, yeah, I got like, I, I can't say it again. It was so helpful. That's why I wrote it down. Those things that you told me a couple years ago, it was just helpful for me to reframe how I saw, how I saw things, you know, especially with the word gift, you know, that changed a lot.

Missy Ozeas:

Well, I, well I'm glad because now we get the gift of your show and just, I mean, it's amazing. Like all the things, just watching your you with everything that you do is really inspiring. Oh, thank really have to tell you.

Michael Jamin:

. I, you know, I even that even the first time I went on TikTok, I was like, am I really doing this? You know, I mean I I I really, it was very intimidating and I was also worried about what my peers would think of me. What would people in the industry think of me? You know, what, what's everybody gonna think of me?

Missy Ozeas:

But, but what now what do you think about that?

Michael Jamin:

It's, well, it, it's really not, it's neither here nor there, really. I'm, I don't think anybody's really thinking about, you know, I, it, I'm, I know I'm helping people, but are the people in the industry? Some people, some people see me, some people, you know, I, I dunno if it's helped me professionally or not, but it's helped me personally for sure.

Missy Ozeas:

But it hasn't been the, the worst case scenario, which is you're shunned or nobody likes you.

Michael Jamin:

Yeah. It hasn't been that I, I haven't been called out or anything, but yeah. In

Missy Ozeas:

Fact, we could say you gained a greater community. Yeah. And more connection

Michael Jamin:

For sure.

Missy Ozeas:

Which is the opposite of being shunned. So being afraid and being shunned, which we could say maybe that's the overall fear of what you had. You actually stepped through a fear, which is amazing and courageous. And on the other side of the fear was something bigger than you could have imagined. Maybe not in terms of, you know, these markers, but meaning community and connection, which is the opposite of shunned. So that is so cool.

Michael Jamin:

Yeah, you're right about that. This is good for me. This talk is good for me. .

Missy Ozeas:

Hey ,

Michael Jamin:

Missy, tell me we're, how much we, yeah, we, this has been a good talk. I wanna make sure people can find you and then follow you on social media and, and check out your website. I know your website is Missy Energy healing.

Missy Ozeas:

Yes. And same with Instagram, Missy Energy healing. So super easy to find me Instagram or my website

Michael Jamin:

. And you post tips just like this for this conversation just to help people. Yeah. And they can Yeah. Go find.

Missy Ozeas:

Yeah. Hey, I, I got that from you, so thank you. I watched you giving tips about screenwriting. I was like, oh, I could do that with energy. So thank you.

Michael Jamin:

Yeah. I, I thank you. I mean, yeah, I, it's, that's another thing. I think when you give, you always get, you know, but you get give first, you'll get, you know.

Missy Ozeas:

Absolutely.

Michael Jamin:

And other people, a lot of people get that wrong. They think they, they want to get first and then then give No, you gotta get, yeah.

Missy Ozeas:

And also you don't even know how many people you've gifted something to just something that sparked something. People you haven't even heard from or heard of or even know their names.

Michael Jamin:

Yeah, I know. It is, it is sweet. I do get some feedback from people. It's very touching, you know, on social media.

Missy Ozeas:

Yeah. So you got your community.

Michael Jamin:

Yeah, I do. Thank what a great talk, Missy. Thank you so much. Everyone go follow her Missy, energy healing. Check out our website, follow her on Instagram. And that's it. Missy, thank you so much again. What

Missy Ozeas:

A problem. Thank you, Michael. So fun.

Michael Jamin:

Yeah. Okay. All right everyone, thank you so much. This is a great, interesting talk. I think this is gonna help a lot of people. Alright. You guys know what to do. Stay tuned for the ne my for the next episode. And keep following me here. Thank you.

Phil Hudson:

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