This episode Caroline and Paul talk to Jo Fitzgerald and Gemma Crabtree from NHS England's Peer Leadership Development Programme about developing lived experience leaders.

Join us as we find out where the came from, and how it has helped to develop people's knowledge and skills in order to become more effective peer leaders.

If you are interested in taking part in the programme yourself, take a look at it on the futurelearn.com website or email them on [email protected]

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