It's common sense, but is anyone listening? Nick Underdown of the Open Seas marine charity is the straightest-talking man in conservation, and his sense of disbelief at the way our seas are being managed is palpable in this interview. Listen to his inimitable, resonant tones as he explains:

• Why Scotland's much-vaunted marine protected areas are just paper parks
• Why proposals for much greater protections were fundamentially flawed
• How the fishermen who make their livings from the sea can't be ignored
• Just why he has to skim stones!

Nick is ready with the facts and figures and is a master of fine detail but he's got the broad brushstroke to give us a clear picture of why marine conservation matters.

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