Our Podcast was birthed from a friendship across color lines that developed between two fathers that became good friends, by making a decision to deeply unpack truths and untruths that are pervasive throughout the world; and discuss the impact that they have on race and race relations

In our first episode of Black Guy White Guy Talking, we reflect on our friendship, why we’re making this podcast, and the importance of having uncomfortable conversations about race. We discuss systemic oppression, choosing white awareness over ignorance, Black nationalism, BLM, looting, our personal experiences with racism, and much, much more.

Episode links:

Charles Johnson’s book, Grand: A Grandparent’s Wisdom for a Happy Life:

https://www.vanityfair.com/style/2020/05/charles-johnson-grand-excerpt-on-impermanence