Pema shares some of her personal journey with — and questions about — political polarization, and Tania provides jaw-dropping data showing we're much less polarized and less political than we think we are. Plus, what this podcast has to do with Buffy The Vampire Slayer.

Find more on this topic in Tania’s latest book, Facing the Fracture: How to Navigate the Challenges of Living in a Divided Nation. 

https://taniaisrael.com/writing-books/facing-the-fracture-book/

Tania Israel is a professor of counseling psychology and author of two books about dealing with political division.

https://taniaisrael.com/

Pema Rocker is a creative coach and author who writes about connection and collective healing.

https://pemarocker.com/