On this episode, I share some exciting news with Kris and the audience, which leads us to a conversation about Darwin, what happens when we die, and where the "real" America is.

Then, Kris brings up an idea that really got my brain firing on all cylinders: the concept of "the frame." What are our artistic frames, the frames through which we see the world, the frames for our everyday life? Is there a way outside the frame?

Along the way we talk simplicity, drug dealers, clay, and Cape Horn. This conversation opens another path of thinking for the show. It's one that I'll be excited to come back to.