Both Manfred von Richthofen and Hans-Joachim Marseille are airpower exemplars from a time when aviation was young and much of the way we think about ourselves today has its roots in the conflicts during which these two men dominated the skies. Muff and Yogi disable command link, wax poetic about these two enemy aces, and contemplate what eternal truths can be learned from their experiences dominating the air during WW1 and WW2.

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“There’s no reason to apologize for never having killed a man,” Marseille said. He poured Hans a tall glass of cognac. “As soldiers, we must kill or be killed, but once a person enjoys killing, he is lost. After my first victory, I felt terrible.” An empty cognac bottle later, Marseille and Shroer shared their secrets of combat and survival with Franz, who leaned in close, his eyes lazy from too many drinks.