“I love like the push and pull of it where it's like, it's a team sport, but nobody can do it but you. But you need everybody else's help to make sure that it happens for yourself. There's a really interesting dynamic with it that I think you can only really understand once you actually insert yourself into it. So it's amazing to hear that you've realised that and how valuable it was to feel the energy of the other people, even though they might not have been presently there. Being able to connect with Mike, like that's kind of what it's all about for me. And you know, that's a huge core value of my business and of my team that I've built. I just think it's a really important way to go through life. We need help from other people and we need to be a part of a tribe that we have shared values in, but we also gotta do this shit ourselves, right? Like, nobody can go fucking swim 4K for us, right? So there's this dynamic that I've just really fallen in love with and that allows me to get a lot outta life.”

Episode #104 of The Hope Initiative with Ryan Dreyer.