This episode explores the story of Doubting Thomas and argues that doubt can lead to a deeper, more authentic encounter with the divine.

The hosts introduce the idea of the “fidelity of betrayal,” drawing on Jesus’ challenges to religious law and thinkers like Peter Rollins and Meister Eckhart to show how critiquing or leaving institutions can be an act of faith.

Conversation moves into modern concerns—politics, moral equivalency, homelessness, and mental health—closing with a call to justice, compassion, and communal care.