Mom and I have an argument on this episode — like a talking over each other and accusing the other of being wrong argument.  Give it a listen!

Here are our recommendations this episode:

• Eileen: article: How To Add More Play to Your Grown Up Life
• Julie:  George Land’s TEDx talk (watch it below):

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