In this heart-to-heart convo, Josiah sits down with Chris Harper to talk about something that’s been heavy on both of their hearts—the discipleship crisis in today’s church. They unpack why it’s happening and, more importantly, what we can do about it.

Together, they talk through:

Chris also brings some powerful insight on mentorship, vulnerability, and making discipleship something that’s expected—not just an optional extra. His take on radical self-donation (yep, he said that!) is both challenging and inspiring.

Whether you’re leading a church, involved in ministry, or just hungry to grow in your faith, we think you’ll leave this episode encouraged and equipped. Let’s get into it!