You’ve seen his cartoons on social media; now, it’s time to meet the artist himself. This week, we’re joined by the one and only David Hayward, also known as the NakedPastor. His art has helped countless people name, survive, and heal from spiritual abuse.

In this conversation, we dig into how spiritual abuse actually works, why systems and organizations tend to pull people toward their worst selves, and the stories behind some of David’s most powerful and recognizable cartoons. David also reflects candidly on his own experience—both suffering from and participating in spiritual abuse—and what it has taken to unlearn those patterns and choose a healthier, more honest way forward. This is an uplifting conversation you won’t want to miss!

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