Joe Milazzo is a novelist focused on consciousness. He is the author of Crepuscule with Nellie, a surreal and dense "speculative historical fiction novel about Thelonious Monk, his wife Nellie, and his confidant and patron the Baroness Pannonica de Koenigswarter." 

In this episode, we talk gift economies, uncomfortable art, Tropisms, Joseph McElroy's Plus (a novel about a brain coming into consciousness in space), the opacity of social media, Philip K. Dick, going crazy while reading a crazy book, anchor characters, and "woodshedding."

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