Ella Blue isn't your typical guest.

She's a Ukrainian National Champion acrobat who trained for years to perform a single three-minute routine. She toured with Cirque du Soleil. She spent years as a featured performer at Absinthe in Las Vegas: one of the most demanding live shows in the world.

And when I asked her if Americans are too soft on their kids when it comes to training and discipline, she didn't hesitate.

In this episode we get into what it actually takes to become world class at something, what it feels like to fail in front of a live audience, why the crowd reacts the way they do, and the mindset required to perform at the highest level night after night.

We also talk about what happens when your identity is tied to your performance and how you rebuild when that chapter ends.

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