In this episode, Luke and Jordan spiral into a brutal argument about the future of warfare, the role of art, and the silence above our heads. From Trevor Paglen’s long exposures to ancient pre-human civilizations lost to cosmic time, this conversation veers from poetic to paranoid—and never quite comes back.

What begins as a grounded debate on military technology devolves into a philosophical brawl about purpose, relevance, and power. Are we just mapping ourselves for destruction? Is art complicit? And if there were an intelligent species before us, would we ever find a trace?

Featuring zero resolution and one existential slap in the face.