The Mistaken Identity podcast is pleased to present a very special episode from our archives: David Lee and Mike Kiser welcome current CIO Kevin Hansel and CTO/CISO Darran Rolls as they discuss how the relationship between CIOs and CISOs affects the security of today’s organizations. Cyber Security Awareness month is reviewed, as are the latest US investments in security. Finally, the episode concludes with advice for our younger listeners on how to guarantee future success in cybersecurity via a different path — one without a technical or business degree.