In this episode, Amena and Kay share their experiences dealing with perfectionism, and express differing views on how to handle it. As always, this is a deep but refreshing conversation between two people who are committed to making the world a most just and equitable place for everyone.

Amena Chaudhry can be found ⁠⁠here⁠⁠ at Zarafa Consulting, ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠zarafaconsulting.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, and her Intercultural Development Assessment (IDI) page is ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠here⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://zarafaconsulting.com/idiassessment/. To book an emergency session with Amena, click on the link to book a breakthrough strategy session.

Kay Coughlin can be found ⁠ at Facilitator On Fire ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠FacilitatorOnFire.net⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and her antiracism resources page is ⁠⁠https://facilitatoronfire.net/antiracism/⁠⁠.

The podcast webpage, with resources from all episodes and a list of resources to support Palestine, can be found at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Unraveling-Isms.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠.