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Summer is here. The pool is finally warm enough, and the barbecue grill is doing its magic. Time for some grillin' and chillin'!
Plug in your earpods as you flip those shrimp on the barbecue, drink that ice cold beer, and listen to this awesome episode of Blue Streak Science!
On This Week's ShowNew Scientist, New York Times, Scientific American
GM fungus rapidly kills 99% of malaria mosquitoes, study suggests Nevena HristozovaBBC Health, Science News, Science
An experimental cure may also protect against Nipah virus Amrita SuleNew York Times, The Wire, Science
Eastern European universities score highly in university gender ranking Nevena HristozovaNature
The Climate Lounge Don't you, forget about me…the corporate polluter Tom Di LibertoOk folks, it's time to stop being polite and start getting REAL. For American listeners of a certain age, that reference was just KILLER! For everyone else…sorry. It was a reference to the show Real World on MTV, which ostensibly started as a show where young people from diverse backgrounds were put into a house together to see how they interacted and hopefully grew. But eventually it just became a show that put a bunch of hot people from diverse backgrounds in a house to fight drink and have sex. Basically it started reality TV.
Today in the Lounge I want to touch on a more provocative topic that riles people up. In reality it's not that provocative, but nuanced. However, in today's world nuance is dead. And that topic is well…let me read you the title of the op-ed, "You can't save the climate by going vegan. Corporate polluters must be held accountable" by Dr. Michael Mann and Jonathan Brockopp in USA Today
Yes, let's discuss individual action versus collective action on climate change. This is often treated as a battle between the two. Folks on one side asking "How can we convince people that climate change is a problem if we don't advocate changes in how ourselves live?" Folks on the other side saying, "Focusing on the individual is a distraction from the things doing the ACTUAL pollution, the fossil fuel industry and corporations". The answer of course is that BOTH ARE RIGHT. Everyone hear that before I get hate mail. BOTH ARE RIGHT. WE NEED BOTH. I'M YELLING.
The problem this op-ed is talking about, and one in which I agree, is when our efforts swing to one side too much. The op-ed starts off with a famous example of marketing in the United states, that of the crying Native American that first ran on Earth Day 1971. The advertisement was clear who was the cause of the littering problem, the major corporations that massively increased their plastic use damaging our environment, our pollution generating corporate practices… just kidding. It was us, not the corporations. A subtle difference that shifted the blame. And was it solved. No, of course not! Those corporate practices continued, and it wasn't their fault. It was OUR fault. Looking back, it's not that the whole ad campaign was a disaster. However, the Native American actor they used in that ad wasn't even Native American! He was an Italian American…sigh. And now the authors of the op-ed are afraid this is happening again.
Of course, the authors are not saying that personal actions to reduce climate impact are bad. On the contrary, they say they are worth taking. They are just saying that if folks think the only way to combat climate change is to go vegan, or stop flying or move into a cave and berate anyone who isn't doing what you're doing, well, we're screwed. If we make a purity bar for those who want to enter into the conversation on dealing with climate change, we exclude a lot of people and make us all look bad.
Not everyone CAN take personal actions that others can. If you're poor, live in a food dessert, have medical issues etc, you can't simply go vegan. So why exclude. On the flip side, and I want to re-emphasize this, if you CAN take personal actions, you should! BUT you should also be holding the fossil fuel industry, politicians and the whole damn system accountable too. We need MASSIVE changes to fix climate change. MASSIVE changes to our energy grid, food production, transportation uses. And it's not going to get fixed by debating whether we should all go vegan. (But I mean we should eat less meat).
It's not an "either/or", people. IT'S BOTH. LET'S DO ALL OF THESE THINGS! And let's not forget who is the real problem here, not us but the fossil fuel industry, corporate practices and a political reality that makes it impossible to live as carbon-free as we like. So listen to THIS crying Italian American, and let's get to work, talk with your family and friends about climate change, call your politicians, and oh yeah, don't drive or fly if you don't have to. We can do it all and we'll need to because we're all in this together.
Op-Ed
In ClosingThat concludes this episode of the Blue Streak Science Podcast.
If you have any suggestions or comments email us at [email protected]
You can subscribe to our show on Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Spotify, Overcast or any other podcast player of your choice.
If you have an iOS device like an iPhone or an iPad you can get the Blue Streak Science app from the App Store.
This show is produced by the Blue Streak Science team, and edited by Pro Podcast Solutions.
Our hosts today were Amrita Sule, Nevena Hristozova, and Tom Di Liberto.
I'm JD Goodwin.
Thank you for joining us.
And remember…follow the science!
By J.D. Goodwin | science talkerSummer is here. The pool is finally warm enough, and the barbecue grill is doing its magic. Time for some grillin' and chillin'!
Plug in your earpods as you flip those shrimp on the barbecue, drink that ice cold beer, and listen to this awesome episode of Blue Streak Science!
On This Week's ShowNew Scientist, New York Times, Scientific American
GM fungus rapidly kills 99% of malaria mosquitoes, study suggests Nevena HristozovaBBC Health, Science News, Science
An experimental cure may also protect against Nipah virus Amrita SuleNew York Times, The Wire, Science
Eastern European universities score highly in university gender ranking Nevena HristozovaNature
The Climate Lounge Don't you, forget about me…the corporate polluter Tom Di LibertoOk folks, it's time to stop being polite and start getting REAL. For American listeners of a certain age, that reference was just KILLER! For everyone else…sorry. It was a reference to the show Real World on MTV, which ostensibly started as a show where young people from diverse backgrounds were put into a house together to see how they interacted and hopefully grew. But eventually it just became a show that put a bunch of hot people from diverse backgrounds in a house to fight drink and have sex. Basically it started reality TV.
Today in the Lounge I want to touch on a more provocative topic that riles people up. In reality it's not that provocative, but nuanced. However, in today's world nuance is dead. And that topic is well…let me read you the title of the op-ed, "You can't save the climate by going vegan. Corporate polluters must be held accountable" by Dr. Michael Mann and Jonathan Brockopp in USA Today
Yes, let's discuss individual action versus collective action on climate change. This is often treated as a battle between the two. Folks on one side asking "How can we convince people that climate change is a problem if we don't advocate changes in how ourselves live?" Folks on the other side saying, "Focusing on the individual is a distraction from the things doing the ACTUAL pollution, the fossil fuel industry and corporations". The answer of course is that BOTH ARE RIGHT. Everyone hear that before I get hate mail. BOTH ARE RIGHT. WE NEED BOTH. I'M YELLING.
The problem this op-ed is talking about, and one in which I agree, is when our efforts swing to one side too much. The op-ed starts off with a famous example of marketing in the United states, that of the crying Native American that first ran on Earth Day 1971. The advertisement was clear who was the cause of the littering problem, the major corporations that massively increased their plastic use damaging our environment, our pollution generating corporate practices… just kidding. It was us, not the corporations. A subtle difference that shifted the blame. And was it solved. No, of course not! Those corporate practices continued, and it wasn't their fault. It was OUR fault. Looking back, it's not that the whole ad campaign was a disaster. However, the Native American actor they used in that ad wasn't even Native American! He was an Italian American…sigh. And now the authors of the op-ed are afraid this is happening again.
Of course, the authors are not saying that personal actions to reduce climate impact are bad. On the contrary, they say they are worth taking. They are just saying that if folks think the only way to combat climate change is to go vegan, or stop flying or move into a cave and berate anyone who isn't doing what you're doing, well, we're screwed. If we make a purity bar for those who want to enter into the conversation on dealing with climate change, we exclude a lot of people and make us all look bad.
Not everyone CAN take personal actions that others can. If you're poor, live in a food dessert, have medical issues etc, you can't simply go vegan. So why exclude. On the flip side, and I want to re-emphasize this, if you CAN take personal actions, you should! BUT you should also be holding the fossil fuel industry, politicians and the whole damn system accountable too. We need MASSIVE changes to fix climate change. MASSIVE changes to our energy grid, food production, transportation uses. And it's not going to get fixed by debating whether we should all go vegan. (But I mean we should eat less meat).
It's not an "either/or", people. IT'S BOTH. LET'S DO ALL OF THESE THINGS! And let's not forget who is the real problem here, not us but the fossil fuel industry, corporate practices and a political reality that makes it impossible to live as carbon-free as we like. So listen to THIS crying Italian American, and let's get to work, talk with your family and friends about climate change, call your politicians, and oh yeah, don't drive or fly if you don't have to. We can do it all and we'll need to because we're all in this together.
Op-Ed
In ClosingThat concludes this episode of the Blue Streak Science Podcast.
If you have any suggestions or comments email us at [email protected]
You can subscribe to our show on Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Spotify, Overcast or any other podcast player of your choice.
If you have an iOS device like an iPhone or an iPad you can get the Blue Streak Science app from the App Store.
This show is produced by the Blue Streak Science team, and edited by Pro Podcast Solutions.
Our hosts today were Amrita Sule, Nevena Hristozova, and Tom Di Liberto.
I'm JD Goodwin.
Thank you for joining us.
And remember…follow the science!