Todd Shickel is a senior executive in Corporate America.  He joins the Next Pivot Point podcast to share his own white male ephiphany journey and why it is hard for white men to engage in the diversity, equity and inclusion conversation.  Together, we unpack:

• His white male epiphany stories from an early age to now
• The 3 L's he lives by as an ally to listen, learn, and lead by example
• How ignorance rather than fear is what is really holding white men back from joining DEI

Learn more about Todd at https://www.linkedin.com/in/todd-shickel-897833b/. Find Julie at https://nextpivotpoint.com/ or @nextpivotpoint.