We talk a bit about how our sons sleep and then chat about Caitlin’s new business and the backstory around its founding. She talks about the unforeseen challenges of starting a business, mostly boring legal stuff. Laura talks about how she asked for what she needs, and the feeling that her boys are messing with her.

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Music: Hanami by Fabian Measures