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117 ACF and Lucee roundtable (Part 3 – future CFML) with Charlie Arehart, Gert Franz, Mark Drew and Ben Nadel
Charlie Arehart, Gert Franz, Mark Drew and Ben Nadel talk about “ACF and Lucee roundtable (Part 3 - future CFML)” in this episode of ColdFusion Alive Podcast, with host Michaela Light.
"We're gonna be talking about Adobe ColdFusion and Lucee and how they compare and contrast and all cool new features coming in the next five years that we prognosticate future performance. Improvements might be coming CFML engine updates and how you can best approach those confusion security. And we'll wrap up with some other questions about being a good CFML developer and conferences this year.
Show notes
Where do you see CFML (ACF and Lucee) in the next 5 years
Future Features we want to add
Features we want to remove
PaaS, FaaS, Lambda
Better CF admin config
Lucee 6
CFConfig and CommandBox
Engine Packages, cloud and microservices
AWS and other cloud provider reliability, multi-cloud
The persistent parallel thread that reliably run in the background
Event gateway without lots of code
Alt: Scheduled tasks and microservices
Full Null support
Cfscript syntax ACF vs Lucee
Target tech
Front end - React, Angular, Vue, new one?
Intermittent internet access
Browsers and devices
Modern Eco-system
In some ways the ecosystem is as or more important than the actual language for programmer productivity
Tools
IDE
Adobe CF VScode extension
Sneak preview session at cfdevweek: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTiPoRm0P04
AI/ML features
CFML
IDE
Lucee Page parts feature - speed of line execution
Better error handling - let it run type code - Erlang language
Code coverage, language feature coverage
FusionReactor line execution code tool
In general
Reliability and performance
Auto Scalable
Secure
Modern language features and ecosystem
Backward compatible CFML
Alive!
Learning CFML speed in 1 week
See roundtable 2
Hiring CF dev vs cross-hire and train
Polyglot programmers
Tech fashion
Dev first vs CIO led PR and marketing
Gartner
Audience
CF dev
Dev Ops
CIO and CEO
Also teaching and increasing staff
Reducing dev stress
CFML Engine Updates
New version releases
Security hotfixes
Script your deployments
JSON based config
Docker images
ACF
Lucee
CommandBox ones
Charlie ITB conference pre-conf workshop
Why is it still wise to use CFML
WWIT to make CF more alive this year?
What is the next conference you are attending?
Mentioned in this episode
ACF and Lucee roundtable 1
ACF and Lucee roundtable 2
Lucee 6 features episode
Adobe Dev Week 2022 blog post
Language speed comparison - Lucee 2nd fastest - Brad Wood blog
ColdFusion is more modern than you realize - Charlie Arehart Dev Week talk
Implementing third-party CF libraries Gavin Pickin CF Meetup
Adobe VS Code CF code IDE extension
Ben’s blog
Brian Bockhold Dev Week session (Wed July 20, 1430)
“Exploring AWS Java SDK developer features using the Java integration implemented in ColdFusion 2021”
Let it fail code - Erlang language
Code coverage FusionReactor and TestBox
Listen to the Audio
Bio
Charlie Arehart
A veteran server troubleshooter who’s worked in enterprise IT for more than three decades, Charlie Arehart (@carehart) is a longtime community contributor who as an independent consultant provides short-term, remote, on-demand troubleshooting/tuning assistance for organizations of all sizes and experience levels (carehart.org/consulting).
Links
Twitter: https://twitter.com/carehart
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/carehart
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/carehart
Web http://carehart.org/
Gert Franz
Gert was born in 1967 and lives in Switzerland since 1997. He is one of the key people behind Lucee. Back in the late eighties, he studied astrophysics in Munich but switched to later IT as a profession and programmed for several companies in the past as a database administrator and system analyst. Gert spoke a lot at all major conferences in the past and will for sure in the future. He is now a fellow at DistroKid.
Links
gert (at) rasia.ch
http://rasia.ch/
https://twitter.com/gert_rasia
https://www.linkedin.com/in/gert-franz-4056807/
Mark Drew
Mark Drew has been programming CFML since 1996, and even though he has had forays into Perl, ASP and PHP he is still loving every line of code he has crafted with CFML.
He has been a strong advocate for open source, having worked on CFEclipse, Railo and now Lucee as well as a number of other projects. He tries to create a pull request a day, to keep the bugs at bay.
By day he helps other developers as the lead devops engineer at DistroKid, making sure that the carefully crafted artesanal code goes from laptop to server in the shortest time whilst keeping all its flavour. By night he develops games with CMD:Studio.
He has been known to do a podcast too! called the Localhost Podcast in which we talk all about the web. He also talks about the process of making games on the Level Design Podcast
Links
https://twitter.com/markdrew
https://www.linkedin.com/in/mdrew
CFML Slack
Mark (at) cmdhq.io
https://anchor.fm/leveldesign
https://localhost.fm/
Ben Nadel
Ben Nadel is the technical co-founder of InVision App, Inc - a digital product design platform used to make the world's best customer experiences. As the original CTO, Ben now spends his days as a Principal Engineer, leading maintenance and development efforts on InVision's legacy platform. This includes systems monitoring, database optimization, instrumentation, back-end work, front-end work, product ideation, and research-and-development. He envisions himself as a champion of the User Experience; and, often advocates for the User even in the face of internal opposition.
Outside of work-hours, Ben wakes up at 5 am, seven days a week, so that he can attempt to stay on top of the rapidly changing world of web development. He uses these early-morning hours to read, conduct experiments, and write articles for his blog, BenNadel.com, which he has been running since 2006.
Links
Ben Nadel | LinkedIn
Ben Nadel blog
Episode Transcript
Michaela Light 0:02
Welcome back to the show. I'm here with Charlie Arehart, Ben Nadal, Gert Franz, and Mark Drew will be joining us. In about 30 minutes, he had an unavoidable appointment. It's probably having a root canal at his dentist.
But we're gonna be talking about Adobe ColdFusion and Lucee and how they compare and contrast and all cool new features coming in the next five years that we prognosticate future performance. Improvements might be coming CFML engine updates and how you can best approach those confusion security. And we'll wrap up with some other questions about being a good CFML developer and conferences this year. Welcome, guys. Thank you for having us back. And we're gonna kick off with Ben because he was very quiet last time. I'll put in the show notes. The other two panels. This is a third panel we have, there's so much to talk about in about Adobe ColdFusion. Lucee, we couldn't fit it all into one episode. So
what do you think Ben's happening in the next five years? That takes us through 2027?
And it's a it's a really interesting question. As someone who's strictly a developer, as opposed to Gert, who is more in the building of platforms, I tend to focus a lot on how do I best use the tools that have been provided to me? And how do I get my work done with those tools, and I and I tend to focus less on what I don't have and what the future could be like. So this is always a bit of a harder question. For me, I think a lot of what happens in the future is going to be shaped by the changing technology and platform landscape. Obviously, we're what's happening there, do you know what just you know that we're we're we're heavily swinging into a platform as a service infrastructure as a service era with things like Amazon and, and lambda functions and a bunch of you know, there's a bunch of other platforms that now have Functions as a Service. And where does ColdFusion fit into that? And where are the limitations with things like licensing? I mean, obviously, wouldn't want to get into licensing probably, but not a problem for me,
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Michaela Light is the host of the CF Alive Podcast and has interviewed more than 100 ColdFusion experts. In each interview, she asks "What Would It Take to make CF more alive this year?" The answers still inspire her to continue to write and interview new speakers.
Michaela has been programming in ColdFusion for more than 20 years. She founded TeraTech in 1989. The company specializes in ColdFusion application development, security and optimization. She has also founded the CFUnited Conference and runs the annual State of the CF Union Survey.
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Charlie Arehart, Gert Franz, Mark Drew and Ben Nadel talk about “ACF and Lucee roundtable (Part 3 - future CFML)” in this episode of ColdFusion Alive Podcast, with host Michaela Light.
"We're gonna be talking about Adobe ColdFusion and Lucee and how they compare and contrast and all cool new features coming in the next five years that we prognosticate future performance. Improvements might be coming CFML engine updates and how you can best approach those confusion security. And we'll wrap up with some other questions about being a good CFML developer and conferences this year.
Show notes
Where do you see CFML (ACF and Lucee) in the next 5 years
Future Features we want to add
Features we want to remove
PaaS, FaaS, Lambda
Better CF admin config
Lucee 6
CFConfig and CommandBox
Engine Packages, cloud and microservices
AWS and other cloud provider reliability, multi-cloud
The persistent parallel thread that reliably run in the background
Event gateway without lots of code
Alt: Scheduled tasks and microservices
Full Null support
Cfscript syntax ACF vs Lucee
Target tech
Front end - React, Angular, Vue, new one?
Intermittent internet access
Browsers and devices
Modern Eco-system
In some ways the ecosystem is as or more important than the actual language for programmer productivity
Tools
IDE
Adobe CF VScode extension
Sneak preview session at cfdevweek: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTiPoRm0P04
AI/ML features
CFML
IDE
Lucee Page parts feature - speed of line execution
Better error handling - let it run type code - Erlang language
Code coverage, language feature coverage
FusionReactor line execution code tool
In general
Reliability and performance
Auto Scalable
Secure
Modern language features and ecosystem
Backward compatible CFML
Alive!
Learning CFML speed in 1 week
See roundtable 2
Hiring CF dev vs cross-hire and train
Polyglot programmers
Tech fashion
Dev first vs CIO led PR and marketing
Gartner
Audience
CF dev
Dev Ops
CIO and CEO
Also teaching and increasing staff
Reducing dev stress
CFML Engine Updates
New version releases
Security hotfixes
Script your deployments
JSON based config
Docker images
ACF
Lucee
CommandBox ones
Charlie ITB conference pre-conf workshop
Why is it still wise to use CFML
WWIT to make CF more alive this year?
What is the next conference you are attending?
Mentioned in this episode
ACF and Lucee roundtable 1
ACF and Lucee roundtable 2
Lucee 6 features episode
Adobe Dev Week 2022 blog post
Language speed comparison - Lucee 2nd fastest - Brad Wood blog
ColdFusion is more modern than you realize - Charlie Arehart Dev Week talk
Implementing third-party CF libraries Gavin Pickin CF Meetup
Adobe VS Code CF code IDE extension
Ben’s blog
Brian Bockhold Dev Week session (Wed July 20, 1430)
“Exploring AWS Java SDK developer features using the Java integration implemented in ColdFusion 2021”
Let it fail code - Erlang language
Code coverage FusionReactor and TestBox
Listen to the Audio
Bio
Charlie Arehart
A veteran server troubleshooter who’s worked in enterprise IT for more than three decades, Charlie Arehart (@carehart) is a longtime community contributor who as an independent consultant provides short-term, remote, on-demand troubleshooting/tuning assistance for organizations of all sizes and experience levels (carehart.org/consulting).
Links
Twitter: https://twitter.com/carehart
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/carehart
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/carehart
Web http://carehart.org/
Gert Franz
Gert was born in 1967 and lives in Switzerland since 1997. He is one of the key people behind Lucee. Back in the late eighties, he studied astrophysics in Munich but switched to later IT as a profession and programmed for several companies in the past as a database administrator and system analyst. Gert spoke a lot at all major conferences in the past and will for sure in the future. He is now a fellow at DistroKid.
Links
gert (at) rasia.ch
http://rasia.ch/
https://twitter.com/gert_rasia
https://www.linkedin.com/in/gert-franz-4056807/
Mark Drew
Mark Drew has been programming CFML since 1996, and even though he has had forays into Perl, ASP and PHP he is still loving every line of code he has crafted with CFML.
He has been a strong advocate for open source, having worked on CFEclipse, Railo and now Lucee as well as a number of other projects. He tries to create a pull request a day, to keep the bugs at bay.
By day he helps other developers as the lead devops engineer at DistroKid, making sure that the carefully crafted artesanal code goes from laptop to server in the shortest time whilst keeping all its flavour. By night he develops games with CMD:Studio.
He has been known to do a podcast too! called the Localhost Podcast in which we talk all about the web. He also talks about the process of making games on the Level Design Podcast
Links
https://twitter.com/markdrew
https://www.linkedin.com/in/mdrew
CFML Slack
Mark (at) cmdhq.io
https://anchor.fm/leveldesign
https://localhost.fm/
Ben Nadel
Ben Nadel is the technical co-founder of InVision App, Inc - a digital product design platform used to make the world's best customer experiences. As the original CTO, Ben now spends his days as a Principal Engineer, leading maintenance and development efforts on InVision's legacy platform. This includes systems monitoring, database optimization, instrumentation, back-end work, front-end work, product ideation, and research-and-development. He envisions himself as a champion of the User Experience; and, often advocates for the User even in the face of internal opposition.
Outside of work-hours, Ben wakes up at 5 am, seven days a week, so that he can attempt to stay on top of the rapidly changing world of web development. He uses these early-morning hours to read, conduct experiments, and write articles for his blog, BenNadel.com, which he has been running since 2006.
Links
Ben Nadel | LinkedIn
Ben Nadel blog
Episode Transcript
Michaela Light 0:02
Welcome back to the show. I'm here with Charlie Arehart, Ben Nadal, Gert Franz, and Mark Drew will be joining us. In about 30 minutes, he had an unavoidable appointment. It's probably having a root canal at his dentist.
But we're gonna be talking about Adobe ColdFusion and Lucee and how they compare and contrast and all cool new features coming in the next five years that we prognosticate future performance. Improvements might be coming CFML engine updates and how you can best approach those confusion security. And we'll wrap up with some other questions about being a good CFML developer and conferences this year. Welcome, guys. Thank you for having us back. And we're gonna kick off with Ben because he was very quiet last time. I'll put in the show notes. The other two panels. This is a third panel we have, there's so much to talk about in about Adobe ColdFusion. Lucee, we couldn't fit it all into one episode. So
what do you think Ben's happening in the next five years? That takes us through 2027?
And it's a it's a really interesting question. As someone who's strictly a developer, as opposed to Gert, who is more in the building of platforms, I tend to focus a lot on how do I best use the tools that have been provided to me? And how do I get my work done with those tools, and I and I tend to focus less on what I don't have and what the future could be like. So this is always a bit of a harder question. For me, I think a lot of what happens in the future is going to be shaped by the changing technology and platform landscape. Obviously, we're what's happening there, do you know what just you know that we're we're we're heavily swinging into a platform as a service infrastructure as a service era with things like Amazon and, and lambda functions and a bunch of you know, there's a bunch of other platforms that now have Functions as a Service. And where does ColdFusion fit into that? And where are the limitations with things like licensing? I mean, obviously, wouldn't want to get into licensing probably, but not a problem for me,
Read more
Michaela Light is the host of the CF Alive Podcast and has interviewed more than 100 ColdFusion experts. In each interview, she asks "What Would It Take to make CF more alive this year?" The answers still inspire her to continue to write and interview new speakers.
Michaela has been programming in ColdFusion for more than 20 years. She founded TeraTech in 1989. The company specializes in ColdFusion application development, security and optimization. She has also founded the CFUnited Conference and runs the annual State of the CF Union Survey.