Carl is an ex-Green Beret, geopolitics guru, and all around badass. We met up in Thailand to record this episode which evolves from his childhood, to his military service, to his connection and thoughts about Burma. Carl is exceptionally thoughtful and knowledgeable, providing insights that are impossible to get from someone who hasn't directly experienced these things over years. Super grateful to Carl for agreeing to have this conversation. Hope to do it again.

00:00:20 Heroes and Villains

00:05:06 Carl's Childhood

00:16:48 PTSD

00:33:34 Iraq

00:55:38 Burma

01:24:50 Plan of Attack

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