Pilgrim's Perspective

1.17 – Debra Sunderland on radical responsibility, victimhood mentality, and staying in your lane (part 2 of 2)


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In Part 2 of our interview with Debra we discuss neuroplasticity, victim-hero relationships, and how we can change our reality by choosing what we tell ourselves. Debra also speaks about the importance of listening to our bodies and outlines the difference between a “to me” and a “by me” approach to life. She challenges us to sit with our discomfort in order to be transformed deeply…The true question is, will we be up to the task?Learn more about Debra’s work here.Connect:PatreonInstagramJoin email list (for behind-the-scenes goodies!)Website Credits:Artwork: Olivia Cianca (check out her dope portfolio!)Music: Evan Fritsch and Walker RenfrowVocals: KK Fritsch Patrons! :DSean “the OP (original patron)” GrossnickleDaniel “la duche” PorterCharles “Jelce” Tumiotto JacksonPhilip “bad to the” BoyneButterTaylor “spies timber” MorrisLuke “Salmon” Morrel
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