This week Clint and Jack are (re)joijned by Peter Brennen to chat about van life, Western States, (not) beef backs, Pacific Mountain Runners, 11 hundred miles, Two-Semete, fire roads, super-sonic commercial flights, Richard P Feynman, Lego, and beer.

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