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In this episode Sparky is joined in the tortoise shack by Aaron Sunderland Carey, who is a multi media socially engaged artist, who works with young people in Rialto and Ballymun. His work is motivated by conversations he has in the community and my god is he a great man for the chat.

Sinn Féin's Matt Carthy on immigration is out now here:https://www.patreon.com/posts/patron-exclusive-123157069