This week is part two of our interview with Kaysie Markwardt @reikihands77. We shift our conversation from religion to the role spirituality has played in our lives. We discuss our transitions from western religion into our individual spiritual paths, and how we each define what "spirituality" means to us. We share our personal sense of disillusionment, anger, and shame from watching much of our spiritual community take a dark turn during the pandemic and social justice movements of the last few years. While our relationship to spirituality and spiritual community has changed, we've learned to replace some magical thinking with a more ethical point of view.

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* Listener note. We recorded both parts 1 & 2 of this interview  before the leaked Supreme Court documents were released. We will be  addressing this devastating turn of events in Ep 13, out in a few  weeks.

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