On this episode of Always Sometimes, Jonathan Freund (aka Club Drippy) joins me to discuss his creative practice, potato chips, resistance to change, romanticizing nighttime, "Disney gays", artistic revelations, and the aspirational quality of "always" and "never".

Recorded 8/2/23. Hosted and produced by Tom.

Intro and outro created using audio from freesound.org and the voices of friends.